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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    They also need to fix how healers are balanced. However, as a healer main, I'd like to see a new healer and was hoping Dancer would be it, because it would be a good and interesting healer concept. If Geomancer is announced as a healer role, I'd still be down for that. But at the moment we've not really had anything new/different for a long time in terms of playing healers and Astrologian wasn't even -that- new, although it had things to build its identity such as the card buffs but on a healing level, it's a hybrid of Scholar and White Mage. So as a healer it didn't add anything new, it just helped blur the lines on the healers. Which we've seen happen in further adjustments. For example: White Mage got Assize, Scholar got Indominability and Astrologian got Earthly Star, they are all more-or-less the same spell but each with their own flavours.
    If Geomancer is announced as a healer I would not be down for that. Spoilers ahead so tags enabled for that
    In the lore of the 60-70 AST questline, it is established that GEO is either CNJ/WHM/AST (can't remember which off-hand, I think it's AST), but with them looking to the ground for their power, not the sky. That to me would feel like it's just an expansion of a different job, rather than a job in its own right.


    Green Mage, Time Mage, Oracle, etc, I'd be down for as a healer, just anything but Geomancer. DNC we felt would have been good as a healer because of how it'd have forced SE to shake up the healing formula, which probably explains why they made it a ranged DPS instead.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  2. #112
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    Ah, I've yet to finish the AST 60-70 storyline, though I had heard about connections to CNJ, so I figured it would be something that'd build on Conjurer lore but take to a different direction. But I should probably finish with AST.

    There's always Chemist as an option. Whilst it never appealed to me in other FF titles, but Octopath Traveller kinda opened me up to the idea of such a healer. They could mix poisons and explosives as their DPS moves. Mixing could be a mechanic used. A bit like mudras with its own flavour.

    And I agree about Dancer, that's why I was hoping for it.
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  3. #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    Ah, I've yet to finish the AST 60-70 storyline, though I had heard about connections to CNJ, so I figured it would be something that'd build on Conjurer lore but take to a different direction. But I should probably finish with AST.
    Now, if SE made it another job that branched off CNJ (like the SMN/SCH thing) then yeah sure, I'd be down for that. But SE have said they'll never do that job split again, so we have to consider it'd have its own lore that doesn't tie in to CNJ. Thus it rules out GEO.

    There's always Chemist as an option. Whilst it never appealed to me in other FF titles, but Octopath Traveller kinda opened me up to the idea of such a healer. They could mix poisons and explosives as their DPS moves. Mixing could be a mechanic used. A bit like mudras with its own flavour.
    Yep, I do like the sound of that. I would love a healer like that. Could really spice up the formula. So I would definitely give that a full on try.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  4. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    Where are my physical, ranged and melee Healers ?
    Probably another 10 years down the road. It would be nice to have a wider variety type of healers ... the problem is that a healer can completely trivialize content if it is not balanced properly (i.e. a physical healer (my idea of one) would be severely overpowered imo.)
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    "If you walk through life thinking you are not needed, remember that there is always someone that is counting on you." -CP

  5. #115
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    Every patch caster dps is never balanced (at least at the beginning for example). Tanks also are not all that balanced but they added one. But at least tank was needed so SE got that right at least.
    Needing to "balance" healers first really was a poor excuse and i am on the healers side on this one. Healers were supposed to be balanced for Stormblood.

    @guardin, the only ones entitled are dps. Physical ranged needed some yes but it could have waited until 6.0. There is LOTS of other dps to choose from.
    And this is coming from someone who has always been a dps main.
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    Last edited by Maero; 03-25-2019 at 09:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxn607 View Post
    Probably another 10 years down the road. It would be nice to have a wider variety type of healers ... the problem is that a healer can completely trivialize content if it is not balanced properly (i.e. a physical healer (my idea of one) would be severely overpowered imo.)
    No matter how they try to balance them, the community will always find some jobs to have an edge over the others, unless they completely homogenize them.
    Bard has significant edge over Machinist right now, but they add a new physical range DPS anyway.

    IMO they shouldn't wait until the current healers are completely balanced before adding a new healer. Likewise they shouldn't keep trying to super-balance the current healers when they haven't been successful at it for the last four years.
    Maybe adding a new, completely unique healer can help them break the mold, add a new perspective on the healer balancing.
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  7. #117
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    I'm kind of glad Dancer was revealed not to be a healer because it could give Geomancer the greater probability of being the next healer. I'm not a healer main, but I would consider it if GEO had the classic arsenal of Flood, Tornado, Quake, Float, etc. Though, I do feel bad that healer enthusiasts will have to wait a bit longer to play their new favorite class.
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    So other than just have a new healer just to have a new healer. Why, gameplay wise, do we need a new healer? Is there something lacking in our current lineup?
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  9. #119
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    Quote Originally Posted by AxlStream View Post
    So other than just have a new healer just to have a new healer. Why, gameplay wise, do we need a new healer? Is there something lacking in our current lineup?
    People have refuted that question already....


    They throw it right back.
    So other than just have a new dps just to have a new dps. Why, gameplay wise, do we need a new dps? Is there something lacking in our current lineup?
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    I highly doubt they can design a healer from scratch and balance it in 3 months. I get that people are upset about not getting a new healer, but requesting them to make one on 3 months is incredibly unreasonable.
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