Male Viera... Unsubbing for now.

[Imuka]

I just registered today to mine the salt. It's petty, I know, I'm a petty person at heart, but some of you guys baffle me. My question is, if you're unsubbing from the game because you didn't at all get what you wanted in regards to cosmetic choice, then how did you guys manage to play the game all these years without it initially???

I'm not trying to be facetious, I am legitimately confused. I'm starting to think that some of you have this hidden flair for the absolutely overdramatic.

Some are putting some overdaramatic into it, but not all. ^^
But there is a reason why some react the way, the react.

Because like some said. On the one side the Devs said "We did not had free Ressources for male Viera.", but on the other Hand, they had Ressources for a complete different Race.
Some react to this, because of SE and the Devs constantly saying that the Game grows and they have more Money for more Content, but then they always mention ressource Limits.
They put more Cosmetics into the Mog Station and less into Events, but it feels like they now work on a even smaller Budget.
Then, when there is a large demand, they talk about limitations of ressources, but then later announce something that ate up even more Ressources that nobody asked for.
I remember how Diadem 1 failed and how people went to the "pls make the Dungeons more interessting. Diadem was horrible, please focus on good Parts of the Game to make them better.".
And then they again talked about ressources and limitations and later announced Diadem 2.

Yeah it’s pretty crazy, people are acting like they are removing content that’s already in the game or something, now that would be something to unsub over.

It is less this single reason, it is a combination of dissapointments over the last 2 Years.
A lot of Stormblood felt like replaying HW with a different Wallpaper. With all the weakneses that were already mentioned by tons of Feedback.
Eureka was a large dissapointment for a lot of Players.
Some Classes that played like a mess.
Streamlining all over the place, to make the Classes easier for no real reason. Some classes feel very lackluster now.
Turning Savage down to Midtier Content, because people wanted Midtier Content, but the Devs had no Idea what to deliver, so they made Savage easier.
Something that made nobody happy. The Raiders steamroll it and for the Midcore Player...they never wanted Savage to be Midcore.
The Bluemage was desined with no brain. "Make a Singleplayer class, that later requires other Players to get the Skills...and it felt like playing a Gacha. RNG everywhere.".

They are not unsubbing only because of the male Viera. They are unsubbing, because they feel like the Devs just do what they like and whatever the Community wishes, gets thrown right into the Trash.
And to Quote the Devs "1. Never forget the fand > without them, there would be no "us".
Nobody wished for Diadem 2, but we still got it and Yoshis only reaction to the Diadem BIS Weapon Topic was "Calm down people...".
Nobody expected him to apologize for that, but he could at least aknowledge, that the Idea was not that great and not tell the people to "Calm down." and then tell them, why their Opinion is wrong.

[ScarboroughFairy]

Some are putting some overdaramatic into it, but not all. ^^
But there is a reason why some react the way, the react.

Because like some said. On the one side the Devs said "We did not had free Ressources for male Viera.", but on the other Hand, they had Ressources for a complete different Race.
Some react to this, because of SE and the Devs constantly saying that the Game grows and they have more Money for more Content, but then they always mention ressource Limits.
They put more Cosmetics into the Mog Station and less into Events, but it feels like they now work on a even smaller Budget.

Part of me agrees with you, they could've used the resources they had for Hrothgar to implement the dev time for male Viera. On the same token, though, you had people who were very vocal about how frustrated they were that they were sick of "Hyur with X trait". Parts of me would even agree that due to the genderlock the races feel incomplete, but this is the result of what happens when you try to please everyone while you have a deadline to keep. Something's gotta give and they didn't have to add anything new to this expansion--especially considering one of the laments of the dev team was what to do with the Viera feet.

Would you rather:
A) Have the release date for Shadowbringers pushed back so that Male Viera and Female Hrothgar be added into the game?
-OR-
B) Take what you can get and allow Shadowbringers to drop the date it was announced to be released?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, when you really think about it. People are starving for content already and a good chunk of the playerbase doesn't care about small cosmetic additions in regards to race. It doesn't really add that much value to gameplay in a general sense anyway. It is nice to have, don't get me wrong.

[Imuka]

Would you rather:
A) Have the release date for Shadowbringers pushed back so that Male Viera and Female Hrothgar be added into the game?
-OR-
B) Take what you can get and allow Shadowbringers to drop the date it was announced to be released?

I would have release Male and Female Viera with 5.0 and release the Hrothgar with 5.2 by adding two new Areas to the Game and expanding the world.
If I could choose, I would have delayed it for 1-2 Months. While my System would not even require a real delay, just putting Ressources into adding 2 new Map Areas.
If we have Ressources to throw the new new Diadem at us every few Months, they will likely have the time, for 2 new Map Areas.

Despite this Quote being over 20 Years old I still bevleiev Miyamoto was not wrong. “A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever.”
I bet the first Version of Ocarina of Time was also great, but then they delayed it and it was a really great Game.

Just look what happened to WoW, because they forced themself into this 2 Year schedule.
Burning Crusade was great and they made it, when they felt it was a good moment and vanilla was at a good Point.
But look how worse this Game got, when they went for this 2 Year schedule to deliver an Addon.
As soon as the old one is done, they straight work on the next one, instead of focusing on the current Addon.

The Point about starving for new Content.
That is right, but the people are starving for something new which also can be other new Content.
The Problem is, that we always knew what the Devs do next and they can't surprise us, because they follow their Formula like it is a national Law.
They Players know, how the whole Structure of 5.0 will look like.
They know how the Endgame will look like.
They know how many Primals we get in the Story.
They know how many Dungeons they get.
They know so many things already, that this feeling of "New Content" will be gone in a week.
Because after finishing the Story, they will go back to what they did for the last 5 Years.

[ScarboroughFairy]

I would have release Male and Female Viera with 5.0 and release the Hrothgar with 5.2 by adding two new Areas to the Game and expanding the world.
If I could choose, I would have delayed it for 1-2 Months. While my System would not even require a real delay, just putting Ressources into adding 2 new Map Areas.
If we have Ressources to throw the new new Diadem at us every few Months, they will likely have the time, for 2 new Map Areas.

This even assuming you know what's planned for the entire expansion and the funds and resources that would need to go into resolving things like bugs and implementing hotfixes, right? Cosmetics will always be secondary/tertiary/quaternary in priority. If a game is really pretty, but plays terribly, and offers nothing interesting, I don't care how many augmentations I can have for a player. I didn't come to play dress up (majority of the time, at least, I know what the true endgame is), I'm trying to kill things.

Despite this Quote being over 20 Years old I still bevleiev Miyamoto was not wrong. “A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever.”
I bet the first Version of Ocarina of Time was also great, but then they delayed it and it was a really great Game.

Not really seeing how the exclusion of the opposite gender for 2 races makes a game bad, though. This was the type of hyperbolic stuff I was talking about. Something that offers nothing to gameplay gets added not the way people wanted in its entirety and now the entire game is bad? That's...shallow.

The Point about starving for new Content.
That is right, but the people are starving for something new which also can be other new Content.
The Problem is, that we always knew what the Devs do next and they can't surprise us, because they follow their Formula like it is a national Law.
They Players know, how the whole Structure of 5.0 will look like.
They know how the Endgame will look like.
They know how many Primals we get in the Story.
They know how many Dungeons they get.
They know so many things already, that this feeling of "New Content" will be gone in a week.
Because after finishing the Story, they will go back to what they did for the last 5 Years.

Perhaps the scheduling and release of the new content is a tried and true formula, but the gameplay is what makes the game. "How will it play?" is the most important. This is why I throw my hat in with the people who predict the people up and leaving over this will definitely be back for 5.0.

[Physic]

Some are putting some overdaramatic into it, but not all. ^^
But there is a reason why some react the way, the react.

Because like some said. On the one side the Devs said "We did not had free Ressources for male Viera.", but on the other Hand, they had Ressources for a complete different Race.
Some react to this, because of SE and the Devs constantly saying that the Game grows and they have more Money for more Content, but then they always mention ressource Limits.
They put more Cosmetics into the Mog Station and less into Events, but it feels like they now work on a even smaller Budget.
Then, when there is a large demand, they talk about limitations of ressources, but then later announce something that ate up even more Ressources that nobody asked for.
I remember how Diadem 1 failed and how people went to the "pls make the Dungeons more interessting. Diadem was horrible, please focus on good Parts of the Game to make them better.".





Eureka was a large dissapointment for a lot of Players.
Some Classes that played like a mess.
Streamlining all over the place, to make the Classes easier for no real reason. Some classes feel very lackluster now.
Turning Savage down to Midtier Content, because people wanted Midtier Content, but the Devs had no Idea what to deliver, so they made Savage easier.
Something that made nobody happy. The Raiders steamroll it and for the Midcore Player...they never wanted Savage to be Midcore.
The Bluemage was desined with no brain. "Make a Singleplayer class, that later requires other Players to get the Skills...and it felt like playing a Gacha. RNG everywhere.".

They are not unsubbing only because of the male Viera. They are unsubbing, because they feel like the Devs just do what they like and whatever the Community wishes, gets thrown right into the Trash.
And to Quote the Devs "1. Never forget the fand > without them, there would be no "us".
Nobody wished for Diadem 2, but we still got it and Yoshis only reaction to the Diadem BIS Weapon Topic was "Calm down people...".
Nobody expected him to apologize for that, but he could at least aknowledge, that the Idea was not that great and not tell the people to "Calm down." and then tell them, why their Opinion is wrong.

why is having a male vierra superior to having a male hrothgar. In reality hrothgar is breaking more new ground in terms of charachter variety than vierra. Also resources is a major consideration for all content, And i think race is substantially more costly(keep in mind all old armor and new armor must be adjusted for each race), and less neccessary for a game, than developing new game mechanics/events. Like diadem, not to say diadem was a success, but they have to attempt to make new interesting combat related content.

[Imuka]

why is having a male vierra superior to having a male hrothgar. In reality hrothgar is breaking more new ground in terms of charachter variety than vierra. Also resources is a major consideration for all content, And i think race is substantially more costly(keep in mind all old armor and new armor must be adjusted for each race), and less neccessary for a game, than developing new game mechanics/events. Like diadem, not to say diadem was a success, but they have to attempt to make new interesting combat related content.

I just went for this way, because the Viera were already shown in the Game. If they would have shown the Hrothgar first, I would have gone for the Hrothgar. I did not even put one Race above the other. But the Hrothgar would have been more of a surprise with 5.1 or 5.2, than the Viera.

And trying new stuff like the Diadem was fine. But if it fails, drop the Idea or at least do one new try in the next Addon, but instead Yoshi keeps on clinging to this Idea of a instanced Fate Farm Area with Trash Mob Grind.
We got two Diadems and he got a lot of bad Feedback and then he went for 4 instances of Eureka, while his basic Idea got a lot of negative Feedback and he was not sure if people like it.
And the Feedback is again pretty mixed.

There is a Game Design Concept called "Fail Faster". Come up with an Idea and try it as soon as possible if it is fun, before you start to feel attached to it and wasted time and money.
If you played the Witcher3, did you know, that there was a different Combat System in Development? With aiming at certain Bodyparts and Combat Stances.
There was a small Team working on the whole thing for I think 3 Months and then the whole thing was scrapped, because it was not fun to begin with an made Combat often unnecessary complicated. So many Hours and so much Money pumped into a dead Idea, because instead of trying it on a small Scale, they went straight for the full development.

And sometimes I feel Yoshi gets much to attached to his Ideas before they test them and later is unable to drop them, no matter of the Feedback.
Something 11 Players told me was that the Devs tried new things and if the Players did not liked them, they got dropped for the Future and they tried something else instead.
People liked it = give them more
People dislike it = scrap the Moneyeater