Male Viera... Unsubbing for now.

[redcurrant18]

Vocal minority are complaining. The vast vast majority will not care 1 bit.



This is SE's game, as players we have the right to stop paying. We do not have the right to try to force them to change it into what the SJWs want.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a social justice warrior. However, when people add their perspectives/biases to their arguments that doesn't necessarily mean their opinions are invalid. The majority has spoken that gender locks are a horrible decision-regardless of whether they prefer Hrothgar or Viera.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a social justice warrior. However, when people add their perspectives/biases to their arguments that doesn't necessarily mean their opinions are invalid. The majority has spoken that gender locks are a horrible decision-regardless of whether they prefer Hrothgar or Viera.

I don't prefer either.
I like my current race.

I just don't think locking races to only a single gender is a good decision.

And, according to reports, back in 2.x the devs thought the same thing...
Supposedly citing that as a reason for unlocking the races previously locked in 1.x...

[Kaedan]

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a social justice warrior. However, when people add their perspectives/biases to their arguments that doesn't necessarily mean their opinions are invalid. The majority has spoken that gender locks are a horrible decision-regardless of whether they prefer Hrothgar or Viera.

You have no evidence to say that the "majority" don't want gender-locked races. Just like no one has evidence of the opposite. All we have are the forums and social media... which A) Only represent about 1% of the actual population of FF14 players, and B) is heavily, heavily skewed to the negative, because you are 1000% more likely to post to complain about something than you are to praise something.

Thus he used the term "vocal minority" because that's exactly what it is. If SE thought it would significantly affect them financially to not have male Viera, then they would have made male Viera. But obviously their metrics show otherwise.

[Twinsoul]

Vocal minority are complaining. The vast vast majority will not care 1 bit.

There's no way to know on the forums what the majority or minority opinions are. All you're going to see are individuals voicing their opinions.

It doesn't really matter if it's a minority, anyway. A large enough minority can still be a huge problem for a company that relies on keeping their customers satisfied.

Interesting take on how people that don't agree with you somehow makes them trolls.

No, I wasn't addressing respectful disagreement. I was addressing the trolls. Look, see, you'll see them, if you look. But you have to look.

[SargentToughie]

There's no way to know on the forums what the majority or minority opinions are. All you're going to see are individuals voicing their opinions.

It doesn't really matter if it's a minority, anyway. A large enough minority can still be a huge problem for a company that relies on keeping their customers satisfied.



No, I wasn't addressing respectful disagreement. I was addressing the trolls. Look, see, you'll see them, if you look. But you have to look.

What I've been seeing on these forums tonight is an absolute metric asston of over-reactive whiplash over a cosmetic choice, and people that are either:

A) just laughing at all the mayhem

B) disagreeing and trying to make it into an actual discussion.

The former may be a bit bad mannered, but it's not trolling.

[Jinxie]

Vocal minority are complaining. The vast vast majority will not care 1 bit.



This is SE's game, as players we have the right to stop paying. We do not have the right to try to force them to change it into what the SJWs want.

wooow. this isn't an SJW issue. This is, at the WORST a false advertising issue, and at best a VERY skeezy, shady 'hide the facts as long as we possibly can so people maintain the hype for things' issue. They went out of their way to hide males, despite including them in lore. To disregard females despite their blatant existence in FFX. This isn't a social justice issue, this is a 'literally why in god's name did you think it was ok to mislead people this way' issue. ..also no healers. 4 years no healers. it'll be at 6 years before we healers will see another chance at maybe having a new option.

[SargentToughie]

wooow. this isn't an SJW issue. This is, at the WORST a false advertising issue, and at best a VERY skeezy, shady 'hide the facts as long as we possibly can so people maintain the hype for things' issue. They went out of their way to hide males, despite including them in lore. To disregard females despite their blatant existence in FFX. This isn't a social justice issue, this is a 'literally why in god's name did you think it was ok to mislead people this way' issue. ..also no healers. 4 years no healers. it'll be at 6 years before we healers will see another chance at maybe having a new option.

False Advertising?

We're reaching some pretty intense levels of gamer entitlement now. SE never promised Male Viera. I get being upset that you didn't get a particular option for a race, but let's call a spade a spade here.

[Xilibrius]

They went out of their way to hide males, despite including them in lore.

but the lore said they live and die alone only coming out of seclusion to mate, and get newly discovered males and train them to live on their own.

[Barristan]

Shh! You can't use the lore card..just because..of things..and stuff.

[decoratibo]

but the lore said they live and die alone only coming out of seclusion to mate, and get newly discovered males and train them to live on their own.

Lore also says effectively the same thing for male members of one of the Miqo'te tribes. Duskwight Elezen also live in heavy seclusion, regardless of gender. But you can still play as them.