Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Vahlnir]

And nobody is even trying to silence you. For some reason you just have a hatred of people with an opposite Opinion.

Nope. They can go on about this all day if they want to. I don't care! Truly. I just don't happen to agree with some of their opinions, and since they are posting on a public forum for all to see, I can tell them why. It's nothing personal though. That's just how it goes sometimes living with the rest of the human race. People will not always agree with each other.

[Duskane]

There's most definitely a bias that exists.

honestly this is pretty much most games that have customization
but with FF14 i at least feel they listen you know.
sure it might seem hard to believe when we get female cash shop item one after another (i think that's more a bad thing for female characters while male players can save a buck)
but they also said they are working on the stubble for midlanders and converting alot of clothes for both genders.

[Theodric]

but they also said they are working on the stubble for midlanders and converting alot of clothes for both genders.

Have they commented on the subject of stubble recently? Last I heard, they weren't going ahead with it because it would be 'too hard'. As for clothing being unlocked for both genders, as someone who is into guys and prefers masculine/handsome men that does nothing for me as I don't have any interest in kitting out my character in a dress quite obviously designed with the female model in mind. It's a bit of a controversial subject so I won't touch on it too much but it's just another way in which people who want more masculine options for male characters are forced to sit in the queue and feel like second class citizens. Especially when the development team decided to put more effort into the outfits worn by female NPC's compared to those worn by male NPC's.

Hien's outfit looks very low texture compared to Lyse's and Yotsuyu's outfit. Alma had a unique outfit but her brother, Ramza, did not - her outfit is on the Mog Station, his isn't - but it shouldn't be anyway because it's just an existing dungeon set tweaked for his character model. Again, it's all the little things that add up and bring about a frustrating situation.

I enjoy the game for the most part, though when it comes to some aspects it's lagging behind quite a bit. Particularly when it comes to elements such as options for male characters (particularly the sort that will appeal to the typical guy/fan of the male form) and also with elements like player housing. That bit isn't really relevant to this thread, though it's still a key issue.

[Halivel]

only real unique ones are Au ra

I have bad news for you.
Hrothgar and Roe share one base model.
Huyr, Miqo'te, Elezen, Au Ra, Viera share one base model.
The only unique one is Lalafell model.

[Theodric]

Hrothgar would have likely appealed to me much more if they were based off of Highlander proportions instead of Roegadyn proportions. At least that way they'd resemble Kimahri much more - who is supposedly the inspiration behind them in the first place...

The development team can't please everybody, of course, but they still chose to prioritise a niche where male characters are concerned whilst adding yet another 'waifu fantasy' for those who play female characters. Even that didn't really play out as intended since both ended up rather limited in some ways.

[Halivel]

Hrothgar would have likely appealed to me much more if they were based off of Highlander proportions instead of Roegadyn proportions. At least that way they'd resemble Kimahri much more - who is supposedly the inspiration behind them in the first place...

tbh the only thing that really sets the gap between Hrothgars and Kimahri is their hunched back and maybe their poses a bit. Aside this their proportions are quite good - and I don't even like the race, so it's barely a bias.

[heynowjose]

the fact tat the new event helm doesnt work with Viera shows how rushed and unfinished the new races really are. Kinda sad

[TheMightyMollusk]

Most of the headgear that was included in the Shadowbringers launch content isn't compatible with Viera and Hrothgar, but this is the breaking point? I don't get it.

[Theodric]

Most of the headgear that was included in the Shadowbringers launch content isn't compatible with Viera and Hrothgar, but this is the breaking point? I don't get it.

It's not a good sign. Whether it's the breaking point for any given player, well...chances are it isn't going to be the only thing related to the gender lock that they're frustrated with.

Viera and Hrothgar were added in 5.0 - we're now roughly a month and a half away from 5.2. I imagine a lot of people were willing to be patient in regards to the backlog of headgear from older content - but when new headgear is also suffering from the same problem then that has some pretty unfortunate implications. For starters, it means that the development team are struggling with that much they're unlikely to get around to adding the missing genders anytime soon. It also means that potential work on updating/expanding the existing character customisation would also be put on the back-burner if it were even planned in the first place.

Add to that the simple fact that the game's biggest rival is updating its character models/customisation options for a second time and...well...

It's not all that unreasonable for people to be frustrated when it comes to FFXIV.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Add to that the simple fact that the game's biggest rival is updating its character models/customisation options for a second time and...well...

It's not all that unreasonable for people to be frustrated when it comes to FFXIV.

While I'm not going to argue most of your post (I share most of the frustrations about the incomplete races, I'm just less vocally upset about it), I do feel compelled to point out that WoW has been out for 15 years, while ARR has been out for about six and a half. Saying that they've updated models twice without also mentioning that it's been around more than twice as long is disingenuous.