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  1. #8301
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mylionare View Post
    Just for clarification(as I'm a pretty huge fan of Ashita no joe and boxing in genral), what killed Rikishi wasn't being at the weight he was at, but specifically it was the methods he went through to lose that weight. He basically killed himself doing so, think of it as someone who does a full dry fast without seeing a physician or taking vitamins. He needed to drop the three weight classes as quickly as possible to prepare for his match with Joe something that would kill any boxer to do, it's twice as difficult to go down in weight classes because of the amount of muscle loss that can happen in the process of it if your training regimen isn't perfect. Which Rishiiki's was not.

    That being said here's an example of a Bantamweight fighter from another series and what I think more resembles the 0% fat physique.

    Source: Genji Kumogawa, Hajime no Ippo.

    and another.

    Source: Nekota Ginpachi, Hajime no Ippo.
    The anime adaptation is unrealistic. The manga illustration is much more accurate. Have you seen real life Bantamweight?
    It would be difficult to even maintain a Tekken-like physique for over 5 days and still be Bantamweight. It's true about the struggles of Rikiishi though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugear_bahamut View Post
    The anime adaptation is unrealistic. The manga illustration is much more accurate. Have you seen real life Bantamweight?
    It would be difficult to even maintain a Tekken-like physique for over 5 days and still be Bantamweight. It's true about the struggles of Rikiishi though.
    Not particularly, keep in mind Kumogawa was shorter than Nekota in their youths.

    Look at a real life comparison of.

    Zolani Tete



    and Nordine Oubaali



    I will admit the size in the anime is much more unrealistic in terms of both shape size, but the muscle definition is not, when flexing or in the motion of punching you can clearly see the musculature underneath the skin, and especially on taller fighters you'll see abdominal and "Show" muscles more clearly. I will be honest and admit at rest they are not immediately viewable, but that also depends on the genetics of the fighter, though we say "zero percent" body fat the minimum fat a person can have changes from individual to individual. It's why in cases of large amounts of weight lose some people will experience "loose skin" as residual fat and others will experience it as purely excess skin.

    Besides the end statement however, as always this is just my personal interpretation of how "Zero percent" body fat and "Rikiishi" like physique should be handled if it is a focal point of Male Viera's conceptualization, and I do not claim it is concretely Matsuno or the XIV development teams intention behind the design of the race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandoria View Post
    The lady versions are so exquisite, hell yes we could use some male versions sporting these fabulous graphics. Lady Hrothgar too.
    Indeed, I'd like male viera to follow a similar asthetic to the females in where its like, super masculine but femenine at the same time, kinda like how Beyonce does it, and I hope that the males will look equally good texture and animation wise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komarimono View Post
    I just had an epiphany... We all know(or should know by now in this thread) that the males live in solitude their entire life, hunting, cooking, attire, housing all done by themselves. They at times go back to the women to breed and lead boys coming of age away to help them learn to live in the woods until old enough to fend for themselves.

    Now, if one is a loner in the wild, we've all seen how they can look. Some stocky, some skinny, for humans at least. Most are short, (This I feel has more to do with the genes of the race of the person though) but seen a few tall ones. One thing is for sure, they are strapped. If they flex, muscles role over muscles.

    Knowing the lore, does anyone else picture a Bunny version of Wolverine from Marvel?
    Hey, actually, that could be really interesting!


    I've found this art ,which in my opinion, could really fit male viera, giving them very big legs/hips/butt makes sense considering they're based on rabbits/hares which have like, huge legs, and this guy, with slightly less defined muscle, could easily go for a jungle tribal hunter
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  5. #8305
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mylionare View Post
    Not particularly, keep in mind Kumogawa was shorter than Nekota in their youths.

    Look at a real life comparison of.

    Zolani Tete

    and Nordine Oubaali

    I will admit the size in the anime is much more unrealistic in terms of both shape size, but the muscle definition is not, when flexing or in the motion of punching you can clearly see the musculature underneath the skin, and especially on taller fighters you'll see abdominal and "Show" muscles more clearly. I will be honest and admit at rest they are not immediately viewable, but that also depends on the genetics of the fighter, though we say "zero percent" body fat the minimum fat a person can have changes from individual to individual. It's why in cases of large amounts of weight lose some people will experience "loose skin" as residual fat and others will experience it as purely excess skin.

    Besides the end statement however, as always this is just my personal interpretation of how "Zero percent" body fat and "Rikiishi" like physique should be handled if it is a focal point of Male Viera's conceptualization, and I do not claim it is concretely Matsuno or the XIV development teams intention behind the design of the race.
    I don't really see the difference. Those rl photos are what I envision a Bantamweight would be.
    I just stated the anime Kumogawa doesn't represent what a near to none muscle Bantamweight would look like.
    I do acknowledge the possibility of retaining muscle, just not in body building levels.
    Given the role of the muscles in body building and boxing are entirely different, this comes out fairly obviously.
    Also I know this is common knowledge but, there's no such thing as 0% body fat and the closest one can get to is 8% and even that is unuseable.
    You'll probably end up like Rikiishi. lol The most you can reduce to while maintaining health standards is just around 15-18%.
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    It is actually possible to go to zero body fat. However, you shouldn't for obvious reasons. The most famous man who is at zero body fat, his muscles are like metal coils that press against the skin. It isn't that appealing because of the artery/veins that tend to show. Men are not supposed to go lower than 2 per cent body fat. However, a hunter-gatherer who trains every single day etc is not going to retain fat, as they will burn off the stores almost instantly. It's more than likely why their training regime is so strict. A male Viera can't afford to not eat. But this is if we're going by human standards. Viera are not human. Nor have we seen that they can breed with humans and have children. Looking at past lore we know they have some sort of different biology.

    And of course, the muscles make sense. Seeing as in boxing they are strength trainers, not bodybuilders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    It is actually possible to go to zero body fat. However, you shouldn't for obvious reasons. The most famous man who is at zero body fat, his muscles are like metal coils that press against the skin. It isn't that appealing because of the artery/veins that tend to show. Men are not supposed to go lower than 2 per cent body fat. However, a hunter-gatherer who trains every single day etc is not going to retain fat, as they will burn off the stores almost instantly. It's more than likely why their training regime is so strict. A male Viera can't afford to not eat. But this is if we're going by human standards. Viera are not human. Nor have we seen that they can breed with humans and have children. Looking at past lore we know they have some sort of different biology.

    And of course, the muscles make sense. Seeing as in boxing they are strength trainers, not bodybuilders.
    I higly doubt male viera will be too different from anything we alreayd have, but I'd like them to be similar to au ra/elezen in build, with thin waist big hips
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    It is actually possible to go to zero body fat. However, you shouldn't for obvious reasons. The most famous man who is at zero body fat, his muscles are like metal coils that press against the skin. It isn't that appealing because of the artery/veins that tend to show. Men are not supposed to go lower than 2 per cent body fat. However, a hunter-gatherer who trains every single day etc is not going to retain fat, as they will burn off the stores almost instantly. It's more than likely why their training regime is so strict. A male Viera can't afford to not eat. But this is if we're going by human standards. Viera are not human. Nor have we seen that they can breed with humans and have children. Looking at past lore we know they have some sort of different biology.

    And of course, the muscles make sense. Seeing as in boxing they are strength trainers, not bodybuilders.
    also, at least female vieras must wear high heels all the time because of their bone structure, their hair is always white unless they dye it and I believe that their ears arent the color of their hair btu of their skin? At least it was like that on Tactics
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    also, at least female vieras must wear high heels all the time because of their bone structure, their hair is always white unless they dye it and I believe that their ears arent the color of their hair btu of their skin? At least it was like that on Tactics
    Yep! The racial heels are actually locked so you can't switch them off. They are nice but sometimes when I make an outfit they aren't always the best fit. You work with what you have though!

    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    Hey, actually, that could be really interesting!


    I've found this art ,which in my opinion, could really fit male viera, giving them very big legs/hips/butt makes sense considering they're based on rabbits/hares which have like, huge legs, and this guy, with slightly less defined muscle, could easily go for a jungle tribal hunter
    There we go, now THAT looks like a viera. Just add some bunny ears, and get rid of the human ears. Keep the hair and sideburns though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Yep! The racial heels are actually locked so you can't switch them off. They are nice but sometimes when I make an outfit they aren't always the best fit. You work with what you have though!

    There we go, now THAT looks like a viera. Just add some bunny ears, and get rid of the human ears. Keep the hair and sideburns though!
    Can u tell me why are u so unbelivably rude to me every single time I post? It's honestly not even funny? Specially after when you were the one getting attacked by everybody I was one of the ppl defending u, I'd really like if u could please stop, because this makes absolutely no sense. Your sarcasm is completely unnecessary, and yes, in lore, viera must wear high heels all time, but SE didnt do it because of resources. Then, that is exactly the type of male viera u and many other ppl have been asking for?
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