Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[zeylos]

Ah, see when I read this I think it's just a confusion of the word being used - you want graceful and beautiful men. I don't think these words are still associated with femininity.
The traits that are associated with femininity are these; gentleness, empathy, humility, and sensitivity. While the traits associated with masculine are strength, courage, independence, leadership, and assertiveness. The females have both of these; which is androgynous in regards to mental state. The men, however, by going off their lore seem to be more masculine.

Hmmm personally I've seen the females to be more masculine than what lore says of men. Viera men lack leadership from what I've heard, yet the females dont lack any. I think no viera is femenine if we generalize, and as for viis, a bit more of both. Actually, the viera are a super amsculine race going by that, when I always though they were femenine. To me, femenine means gracefullnes etc, and masculine means brutal etc, but going by this description, most viera are masculine mentally speaking

[zeylos]

Also, about the lore argument:
People see the world in different ways, and thats completely fine.
I see the viera as a masculine race of rabbit eared ppl, some see it as a femenine race of tribal ladies, and some as sexy bunny girl waifus uwuuuuuuuu, all of which are fine.
Some people believe that the viera is female only, and they are correct. To them it is that way, and they aren't necessarily wrong, they just have a unique opinion thats simply headcannon.
If u dont want male viera, enjoy ur time until 6.0 I guess^^

[SturmChurro]

The difference between an RP'er who writes fantastical adventures, and another who wants to ERP with their characters, especially a child-like character is completely different.

[Gwenorai]

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I stated it before, I find it cringy - though I don't go after them. I'm on a centre that doesn't have much of an RP crowd. I think the hate comes from the fact there's always going to be bad apples who spoil a community, it happens in every single community where one will look down at another. Personal opinion after years of ESO, SWTOR - good old cantina ERP. I personally think it'd be much better to just take the character out of the game, and do a write up through discord or a forum board where you can have so much more detail rather than emote spam. I guess now you know why I find it cringy. I've come across plenty of mary sues with bad writing through my travels.

People take it as people want them just to ERP, don't want them for their lore or what they actually bring to the table in that department. They want them for aesthetic. I personally don't care, I do get tired having to keep reaffirming that I want to be a male character for my own preferences and it's not to ERP - as some people out there seem to equate wanting male Viera to ERP in a sexual and flamboyant manner. Some do. Some don't. Don't care.

edit - thanks bruh -High 5-

The difference between an RP'er who writes fantastical adventures, and another who wants to ERP with their characters, especially a child-like character is completely different.

Also this, all of this. Those in this thread beforehand wanted to ERP as children. I have zero qualms with anyone who writes a fantasy set in their own AU within this game. I do have a problem with those who have zero respect for those around them and are overly obnoxious. Sadly, these types are the 'loudest', and the ones you will have seen in the past screaming that Yoshida was a homophobe bigot.

[Mochamonarch]

I stated it before, I find it cringy - though I don't go after them. I'm on a centre that doesn't have much of an RP crowd. I think the hate comes from the fact there's always going to be bad apples who spoil a community, it happens in every single community where one will look down at another. Personal opinion after years of ESO, SWTOR - good old cantina ERP.

People take it as people want them just to ERP, don't want them for their lore or what they actually bring to the table in that department. They want them for aesthetic. I personally don't care, I do get tired having to keep reaffirming that I want to be a male character for my own preferences and it's not to ERP - as some people out there seem to equate wanting male Viera to ERP in a sexual and flamboyant manner. Some do. Some don't. Don't care.

But yeah, rather ya wouldn't quote me out of context xD Because now it's missing what I was responding to.

Sorry man, Didn't mean for you to take it like that. I mostly needed a more recent post mentioning erp to springboard my point off of, as this was something I've been holding in for a good while. Didn't mean to paint you in a bad light at all.

EDIT: Removed your quote. I got'chu fam.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Technically, ERP is against TOS.

[Mochamonarch]

Technically, ERP is against TOS.

And so is using any copyrighted music when playing with bard instruments. Doesn't matter, so it's just semantics at that point.

[Theodric]

I remember when the people here used to say we just want to ERP because we wanted shorter bunny men, and now they telling "not everyone wants to ERP just because we want bunny men". Ironic, it's the same situation.

That wasn't how it played out at all.

Some of the same people initially pushing for child-like viera simply switched to pushing for feminine, androgynous and short viera instead. That more than anything is why there's a measure of suspicion surrounding those pushing for such aesthetics. To say nothing of the fact that it doesn't even fit with how Yoshi-P and Matsuno envision male viera to begin with.

Now, that isn't to say that everybody asking for feminine and androgynous male viera is in the same basket. Though the damage has already been done and the simple fact that Yoshi-P had to state outright that child-like viera will not be added to the game is incredibly troubling.

As for the whole 'ERP' argument. I'm in favour of people acting with dignity. If they do it, they shouldn't wear it as a badge of honour. I've seen some horrid stuff on Balmung and the unfortunate truth is that a growing number of role-players become obsessed with it to the point where it dictates all of their interactions.

The idea that everybody who wants male viera desires them for ERP purposes, however, is silly. Some of us just dig the whole 'fierce forest hunter' aesthetic and they're a close match to that.

[zeylos]

No? Though, if you were attentive with side quests in Rak'tika Greatwood, there was the quest were we... "interacted" with male Viera without seeing him, in some way. Though I'm not sure that what you meant when said about "addressed".
And I doubt they will say anything, to be honest...

They will lol, it maytake them a bit more or a bit less. I think that they'll adress this either on an interview or on a letter before/at 5.1, and they have basically made an NPC say thatt hey hope they can introduce u to a male viera (it dosent matter if its viis, if they introduce us to a male viera/viis/anything viera its basically confirmed we are getting them) as an ally of ronka, so that to me screams we are going back to the greatwood, and we will meet one, likely at 5.3-5.5

[Mugear_bahamut]

Sure, not everyone who wants a small and feminine male wants to ERP - but there has to be a reason for it, right? So they fit what you look like in real or something? That seems most logical.

For those who do wish them to be short and feminine like; I'd ask this. Is this due to your own personal aesthetic? Your desire to ERP as a certain type of male bunny? Or do you truly believe that the lore hints towards them being short and feminine and thus they should be? No, I'm not taking a jab. I want to know why people wish them to look this way - especially those who have zero plans to ERP or have a specific character in mind? Surely it boils down to 'projecting onto your character' and/or 'sexuality' and 'aesthetic' right? Again, I'm really curious about this and wish to understand, though I'm starting to think it's just a silly question - as part of me thinks my previous points are simply why and there's nothing wrong with that as long as you're not trying to stir the character away from the devs design.

I'll start why I think they shouldn't look feminine and small - the lore doesn't match it. It's not an amazing argument, but I'm praying that they follow it. Mi'qote is also already small as it is, I don't believe that two of the 'animalistic' races should be pushed down to the same size as Mi'qote or smaller. I wouldn't mind if they were slightly smaller than females, but I'm not for a repeat on what happened to female Au'ra. I'd be all for a larger 'height' scale, however. If the male could be taller than the females and yet, the smallest of the males could be smaller than the females then I believe this would be best of both.

Also, wait aren't you the guy who went into my post history and saw that I was tall and used it as an argument against me?
Lmao oh lord. Hey buddy.

The reason. I have a stronger preference towards shorter(not specifically child-like) characters, and the feral nature of Viera are attractive to my taste.
I'm not personally against having an option to be taller than the females, but if that was implemented, I doubt YoshiP would let it have a bigger height slider, so we'll see what he does about that.
Nothing's set in stone yet, and everyone's just making assumptions, so you shouldn't mock anyone for having a different opinion. Is that equal to wanting to ERP as children as you so suggest?

And yes, I'm the guy, but I did not use your height against you but rather your opinions toward height shaming on a previous post. You're free to quote me on that.
Wanting shorter variants doesn't equal child ERP. I live in Asia now and let me tell you, the average height is the same as Miqote and lower. Mexicans and other South American countries are also similar.
Not every dude is Elezen height. That's a Nordic trait. I just want an option to go lower than Miqote, which is possible for females, but I don't know what's barring them from applying it to a male race.