Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

This is subverting the blame. You're neglecting to accept the fact that male viera supporters acted rabid in the beginning and lashed out at those that were hppy. SE took the route they did to try and please as many people as possible. Yoshi P has already apologized for the situation and has said they will be more transparent in the future. Although, it's not even their fault that an expectation was built for something THAT WAS NOT PROMISED. The player base ignored all previous signs, blatantly assuming they were getting something that has been addressed in the past as a "probably not". This by no means is to be taken as that I don't support the adding of the genders, but by god do some of you make it hard to want to support this at all.

No, it is drawing out the implications of SE’s position. I’m not too interested in playing blame games with regards to the game’s fans as there was a lot of negativity on both sides and I don’t support turning this into a civil war between the playerbase and never have, but equally I see little point in pretending SE did not mismanage this and badly, especially by being very secretive in their communications. Yoshi P went a long way to rectifying the situation for me. Expecting people to read tea leaves based on obscure interviews and very contentious leaks SE themselves decried, whilst knowing that they had reversed historic gender locks, is not clear communication.

In any event, I suggest we move on from all this and focus on supporting the addition of the missing genders, as frankly discussing the actions of people I called out at the time grows rather dull.

[Theodric]

tbf, twitch gets spammed A LOT, Viera is just the hot topic right now. If it weren't that it'd be the usual "butt sliders when"

The Twitch spam is pretty awkward and embarrassing to behold. Luckily it has been countered with bans. I think it's fine for people to politely request them, though petulant requests should be laughed off and ignored. You're absolutely right that it'd be something else being spammed though!

As for people choosing to not renew their subscription, I don't think the number is going to be very large. Some of them will inevitably be lured back by the expansion. The game servers are practically bursting with players at the moment. So I don't doubt that some people have quit over it but I'm not convinced the number is of particular note.

It'll inevitably be balanced out by the money made by players who purchase optional items/merchandise on a frequent basis and new players who are tempted to try out the game moving forward.

[SturmChurro]

The Twitch spam is pretty awkward and embarrassing to behold. Luckily it has been countered with bans. I think it's fine for people to politely request them, though petulant requests should be laughed off and ignored. You're absolutely right that it'd be something else being spammed though!

As for people choosing to not renew their subscription, I don't think the number is going to be very large. Some of them will inevitably be lured back by the expansion. The game servers are practically bursting with players at the moment. So I don't doubt that some people have quit over it but I'm not convinced the number is of particular note.

It'll inevitably be balanced out by the money made by players who purchase optional items/merchandise on a frequent basis and new players who are tempted to try out the game moving forward.

Pretty much, if you check over on the black chocobo thread, game time cards and even the shadowbringers pre-order has apparently been "sold out" frequently. On top of that EU has to have 2 new servers, and NA aether and primal are pretty much locked all the time for new character creation, and there are frequent server queues. The game will be fine, more than fine. This expansion is looking to be extremely popular, gender locks or not.

[Lauront]

I'm making one final post here because I just absolutely cannot stand this anymore. Most here are fake. You pretend to support the inclusion of both genders but you just want male viera, but have to say both so that you don't look like self absorbed children. You refuse to accept outside opinions although you claim to be inclusive as a group. This is an echo chamber where if you go against the grain, a rabid group of supporters leap on you for disagreeing. At this point, it's worthless to even try and carry on a conversation here because people merely get defensive, tell others to ignore you because you have a different opinion, and tell you that your opinion is invalid because it goes against them, act like a victim when people try to call you out on your lies or crap. Honestly, this thread makes me sick. Reply to this all you like. I won't be back to check it.

Well that’s unfortunate but at the same time this grows frustrating because you’re mixing in people arguing in bad faith with those of us who are not. I am quite frank in that the option I want to see is male Viera but that even though I wouldn’t play them I’d like to see female Hrothgar because I liked Ronso and also because it wouldn’t be fair to add one but not the other. However, let’s be realistic: my support means a lot less to SE than someone who will actually play the race. Thus i leave it to those who will, whilst supporting their addition.

I suggest if you find someone people here vexatious that you utilise the ignore function. It’s not worth getting upset over or withdrawing yourself from the discussion due to the actions of some few. I don’t bother engaging people who I find make the same silly arguments repeatedly and can’t argue in good faith.

[Theodric]

I'm just glad that Yoshi-P put his foot down and stated outright that child-like viera would not be a thing. I'm in agreement that some of the proposed designs are pretty creepy, though I don't think the development team will go with such an approach no matter how much certain posters try to push the 'androgynous/feminine' aesthetic towards the same result.

I still think it'd be for the best to remove the child-like images from the original post, but that apparently isn't going to happen so there's not much to be done about it unfortunately.

[Senn]

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I think some of the male viera face options might be sort of androgynous, though. Since they do have some rabbit-like facial features. Definitely hoping we can get the taller body type shown in the concept art, or like in Minafumi's artwork. I've been keeping up with their twitter to see if they would draw anymore male viera, but so far nothing else. Been keeping an eye on Matsuno's twitter, too.

[Awha]

I wasn't asking for children. Lalafell look like children, but they aren't.
Discussing this is pointless since we won't be getting hummingway-esque characters.

I honestly do not know of many people who think Lalafell look like children. Though I get where you are coming from. Though I do think if the image in the OP does more harm then good, not many will look at the context regarding the image they will simply go based off the image and see it closer resembles a child much more so then Lalafell.

Might it is time to remove the image SE already confirmed they will not be adding them so not 100% certain what the intent behind leaving that image up is. I get it was a image released by SE.

Not only do I think lalafell look like children, adult lalafell and child lalafell both use the same character model. People are just overreacting imo. However, I understand the dev's concerns and how it could potentially cause ffxiv to shut down. I don't want that to happen. It's sad that a few gross people will ruin things for people by modding things and screenshoting it. I wasn't aware the modding community was that big in this game, and I wasn't aware of what kind of content was being modded...

I also agree people are overrating, but it seems the image is causing more harm then good regarding the cause at this point because SE said it will not happen maybe it time to just remove the image. Also not trying to get into the art aspect but compare the proportions of a lalafell and a child I do think one would be hard pressed to really say yup that is a child. Not much into art so I cannot explain it properly, but to do a degree I do think it is disingenuous to say well lalafell look like children. Though that is not largely important, given the fact that it is a moot topic at this point since those with creative control of the game seem to agree that lalafell do not look like children.

[Senn]

I honestly do not know of many people who think Lalafell look like children. Though I get where you are coming from.

Not only do I think lalafell look like children, adult lalafell and child lalafell both use the same character model. People are just overreacting imo. However, I understand the dev's concerns and how it could potentially cause ffxiv to shut down. I don't want that to happen. It's sad that a few gross people will ruin things for people by modding things and screenshoting it. I wasn't aware the modding community was that big in this game, and I wasn't aware of what kind of content was being modded...

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I would prefer to keep the OP untouched now.

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Wasting it all on bunny bois would be bad.

I don't think the devs would waste all their resources on male viera and female hrothgar, just like they didn't waste all their resources on female viera and male hrothgar.

From what I seen. Jp forum is happy with how things stand.

That's not true. I've been on the JP forum. They would also like the addition of male viera and female hrothgar. The only difference is the JP forum is less active and people on there are more chill. I would link you to their own support thread, but I can't for some reason.

And if ya think the jp community is any diff. Just some wants it. Not like your seeing them make a new thread screaming about it every single bloody day.

A surprising amount of japanese people do want male viera and to a lesser extent, female hrothgar. There was even some arguing in the jp thread, but definitely not as heated as the na forums lol Also, there isn't a new thread being made about adding male viera and female hrothgar every day. That's a bit of an exaggeration.

[Drayce1]

I rather they put all the resources into making the game better. Wasting it all on bunny bois would be bad. Cuz then all the speedo wearing nuhns and tias would become speedo wearing bucks, get bored of it or have a delusion that they aint gettin any girls for their harem, then they go back to being cat bois again, continuing the delusion. The husbando's will be worse on this.

Just my 2 gil.

[Drayce1]

Not only do I think lalafell look like children, adult lalafell and child lalafell both use the same character model. People are just overreacting imo. However, I understand the dev's concerns and how it could potentially cause ffxiv to shut down. I don't want that to happen. It's sad that a few gross people will ruin things for people by modding things and screenshoting it. I wasn't aware the modding community was that big in this game, and I wasn't aware of what kind of content was being modded...

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I would prefer to keep the OP untouched now.

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I don't think the devs would waste all their resources on male viera and female hrothgar, just like they didn't waste all their resources on female viera and male hrothgar.

Naw fam. They did it cuz of somewhat popular demand....by the JP audience, specifically for bunny gurls. They just threw the Ronso males in to balance things out. From what I seen. Jp forum is happy with how things stand. They wont waste dev time and resources for the master race vocal minority of the na/eu boards.

Just how it is. Deal with it.

And if ya think the jp community is any diff. Just some wants it. Not like your seeing them make a new thread screaming about it every single bloody day. Its not gonna happen, and if it does, so few are gonna actually use the race, which SE likely already projected, that in the end it be a complete waste. I can assure you, most of the cat bois change to bucks, will change back a month later, just like how most lolita cat girls will be a bunny girl, get tired of not looking loli, then change back. Then you will see at most, 2 percent of the entire population playing either gender.

A waste, tbh, they never shoulda released viera and Roth, it was a mistake, a waste of dev time and resources, and now a cause of headache for the moderators to newly deal with, cuz devs should have known this backlash would happen.