Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Senn]

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Not changing the OP. I already explained why. I think you continuing to get me to change the OP can be considered harassment at this point.

Also, I do think he's hijacking the race, and also this thread. This thread was meant as a support thread first and foremost. Part of showing your support in a positive way can be to post your art of male viera. Having my artwork shut down like this goes against what this thread was made for.

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To badger, pester, bother, and annoy. A polite suggestion starts to become harassment when the person asks you to stop, and you continue to pester them about it. You said you were not going to stop trying to get me to change my OP, even though I have asked you before to stop doing this. True to your word, you have continued to do this. It is harassment at this point.

What would be cool however, would be to add stuff like some of my art, and some of the other poster's art on how they envision male viera, and add those to the OP.

A good suggestion, but no. Please stop asking me to change the OP.

[Theodric]

Not changing the OP. I already explained why. I think you continuing to get me to change the OP can be considered harassment at this point.

Also, I do think he's hijacking the race, and also this thread. This thread was meant as a support thread first and foremost. Part of showing your support in a positive way can be to post your art of male viera. Having my artwork shut down like this goes against what this thread was made for.

A polite suggestion is not equal to harassment. We already know that viera will not be designed to resemble children. You're free to leave the images there. Equally, though, posters are free to offer suggestions. You do not need to take them on board.

[Senn]

As someone who has always really liked the idea of playing an Elezen, but then instantly regrets the fantasia, Viera are definitely a bit of "Elezen done right" to me.

I've always wanted them to have softer/rounder features (like Aymeric & the twins), better proportions, and perhaps remove that stick from their bums while they run.

Insert Viera! They've got the height and the more serious personalities like Elezen, but they were able to remedy the things I didn't like about Elezen.

Now obviously these are different races, and I feel that they do look/act different enough to not be a problem - but when you compare the two side by side, it's not a MASSIVE difference. If they gave male Viera the same type of "upgrade", I think that could work quite well.

Just a couple of examples for you:



These aren't perfect comparisons - the first picture was taken with both of their faces looking straight at the camera. The stances are a bit different, so I think it's a bit harder to gauge from this angle. For the second set, I had the clever idea to make skin/hair match better, and also tried to have their navels in the center in order to get a more accurate shape comparison. Again, not perfect, but at least will give an idea

This is a good comparison. It really does look like the female viera model is based off the elezen model here, and I think if male viera were to be added, they will probably be based off an elezen model as well. I just think that's what they will do most likely. From what I noticed, the female viera have less broader shoulders than the elezen, as well as a bigger head, and shorter neck. That really makes all the difference, and it looks great. When I get a chance, I'll draw up a male elezen to male viera comparison.

Everyone can like what they want, so lets just not try to put down another view just because they are not your beauty standard.

Agreed. It's getting kind of ridiculous.

I can't think of a single piece of artwork that has been posted here without some criticism and commenting on it is scarcely shutting it down.

You are misunderstanding. In the case of posting your own artwork to just show your support, I have not seen people shutting down and debating over that except mine. Probably because it's me lol

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I'm not going to change the OP because I do not want to have to update the OP every time some kind of news comes out. Even now, I'm getting people telling me to update the OP to include everyone's fanart. It's a good idea, but I prefer a more hands off approach for topics. In fact, I regret editing my OP in the first place. In my original viera thread, I did not edit the OP - I did this on purpose. Even though at times I did want to edit my post, I refrained from doing so because I wanted the OP to remain untouched. In this thread, I did edit the OP due to a lot of requests to do so. However, I'm not going to do that anymore. The last edit to this OP was on 04-02-2019 and I do not want to touch it anymore. Just let it be. I'd like for this to be the last time I address this subject.

[SturmChurro]

What would be cool however, would be to add stuff like some of my art, and some of the other poster's art on how they envision male viera, and add those to the OP. I got quite a few likes on my past piece, and having it there would be really cool, and a really big compliment. Not just my art either, a lot of users here have posted equally cool stuff!

[Theodric]

What would be cool however, would be to add stuff like some of my art, and some of the other poster's art on how they envision male viera, and add those to the OP. I got quite a few likes on my past piece, and having it there would be really cool, and a really big compliment. Not just my art either, a lot of users here have posted equally cool stuff!

I think this is an excellent suggestion. It helps eliminate bias, too.

[SturmChurro]

I think this is an excellent suggestion. It helps eliminate bias, too.

The OP does have some previous fan art, and I just think it would be really cool for showing the community here coming together and having some of their art pieces added to the thread. It really would feel amazing. I can personally attest to the amount of effort, and thought, I put into my art, and I'm sure other users here put just as much, maybe even more in their work! It just would be something that I know would make a lot of the artists here smile, and even if everyone's visions of male viera may vary, it is overall a community thing, and shows SE just how excited users here are about the idea of male viera!

[Theodric]

The OP does have some previous fan art, and I just think it would be really cool for showing the community here coming together and having some of their art pieces added to the thread. It really would feel amazing. I can personally attest to the amount of effort, and thought, I put into my art, and I'm sure other users here put just as much, maybe even more in their work! It just would be something that I know would make a lot of the artists here smile, and even if everyone's visions of male viera may vary, it is overall a community thing, and shows SE just how excited users here are about the idea of male viera!

I'm in complete agreement! Speaking of art, the lodestone was just updated with some:



Source: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...a60cae54b16ec4

I think the Hrothgar looks very cool! I'm hoping that we'll see a lot of success with them so that Yoshi-P might be inclined to give male viera a nice amount of muscle. I've been spotting a lot more male raen and xaela around in recent months, too.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

I'm in complete agreement! Speaking of art, the lodestone was just updates with some:



Source: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...a60cae54b16ec4

I think the Hrothgar looks very cool! I'm hoping that we'll see a lot of success with them so that Yoshi-P might be inclined to give male viera a nice amount of muscle. I've been spotting a lot more male raen and xaela around in recent months, too.

That art is amazing!

[Skivvy]

My point is, you guys just want Viera to be Eleze 2.0: Elezen done right. They didn't do that with female Viera and they shouldn't do it for male Viera.

As someone who has always really liked the idea of playing an Elezen, but then instantly regrets the fantasia, Viera are definitely a bit of "Elezen done right" to me.

I've always wanted them to have softer/rounder features (like Aymeric & the twins), better proportions, and perhaps remove that stick from their bums while they run.

Insert Viera! They've got the height and the more serious personalities like Elezen, but they were able to remedy the things I didn't like about Elezen.

Now obviously these are different races, and I feel that they do look/act different enough to not be a problem - but when you compare the two side by side, it's not a MASSIVE difference. If they gave male Viera the same type of "upgrade", I think that could work quite well.

Just a couple of examples for you:



These aren't perfect comparisons - the first picture was taken with both of their faces looking straight at the camera. The stances are a bit different, so I think it's a bit harder to gauge from this angle. For the second set, I had the clever idea to make skin/hair match better, and also tried to have their navels in the center in order to get a more accurate shape comparison. Again, not perfect, but at least will give an idea