Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Theodric]

In the end those that want muscles have Roes, Hrothgar, Au Ra and in some way even highlanders. So I just cant believe that they would be buff too. Muscles are fine but honestly they should not imo look like a whole different race where the only similiar feature are their ears.

No, not really. Of those, only Au Ra appeal to me. Hrothgar and Roegadyn are too bulky. Highlander men don't have proper eye brows and only have two decent faces - and even then, their customisation is extremely limited. There's plenty of room for Viera men to be tall, muscular and fit somewhere between Au Ra and Highlander men in terms of their physique whilst providing people with something that is both beefy and boasts classically handsome features.

So long as they look like men and have a decent amount of muscle mass to them, I'll be content.

[zeylos]

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@Theodoric, I haven't been aggressive towards those wanting a more masculine look that I can remember, and if I have, then I apologize for that. Then, I wasn't sure about what you meant with classically handsome, and wanted to understand
Oh and btw, I'd like male viera to be quite beefy too SE

Like I said, my wordings weren't correct, and in my native language saying to a men that they don't look like men, is very offensive, and I'm obviously not as familiar with english as most of you probably are, so I apologize if I sounded aggressive or something like that

[Theodric]

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If that is disrespectful then it is also disrespectful for people to bash masculine aesthetics, though there has been a lot of that throughout the thread's existence with very little backlash. I'm not looking for an argument and I have stated frequently that I am fine with Viera having one androgynous/feminine facial option to appease those who desire it.

I don't, however, want Viera men to be hijacked to the point where they look feminine across the board - which is what some people here are pushing for. I'm also not sure why you're bringing up revealing racial gear when a few pages back you agreed with my suggestion for them to be clad in a loincloth. I don't have an issue with the men wearing revealing attire so long as it isn't just a copy and paste of the female gear.

[LittleChickenNugget]

First of all, femenine men does look like men, and that comment isn't just completely unnecessary but also comes as rather disrespectful.

Then, just what is this classically handsome thing you seem to want so much? If you mean masculine looks, every single race in the game other than lalafell and roegadyn has at least 1 masculine and 1 femenine face, and dont expect that to change with male vieras. You will also most likely get a voice that's probably meant for a male roe. Then, if its because you don't want revealing racial, I must say that while I won't really put my char on a plated bikini, seeing what the females got, its oly fair

Hes allowed to have his own ideas and wants without having to dissect everything down for you. I'm in complete agreement with him, I want the Male counterparts to be handsome and look like men. Like rough and tumble men with their level of elegance, not like one step above drag queens. They're not meant to be dainty, so they don't need to look dainty.

[Lauront]

First of all, femenine men does look like men, and that comment isn't just completely unnecessary but also comes as rather disrespectful.

There is clearly a point where some "feminine" men do cross the point where they don't really look like men anymore, and in some cases that is the entire point. Not sure how it's "disrespectful" to state as much, although those were your words more than his.

[Vahlnir]

Hes allowed to have his own ideas and wants without having to dissect everything down for you. I'm in complete agreement with him, I want the Male counterparts to be handsome and look like men. Like rough and tumble men with their level of elegance, not like one step above drag queens. They're not meant to be dainty, so they don't need to look dainty.

There's also something that was stated in the lore. Before a certain point it's hard to distinguish between a male and female Viera...but after that point a drastic change occurs if they are male. So yeah, I'd imagine that they look similar but still very different from their female counterparts.

[Veis_Alveare]

First of all, femenine men does look like men, and that comment isn't just completely unnecessary but also comes as rather disrespectful.

Then, just what is this classically handsome thing you seem to want so much? If you mean masculine looks, every single race in the game other than lalafell and roegadyn has at least 1 masculine and 1 femenine face, and dont expect that to change with male vieras. You will also most likely get a voice that's probably meant for a male roe. Then, if its because you don't want revealing racial, I must say that while I won't really put my char on a plated bikini, seeing what the females got, its oly fair

Feminine men, by the literal definitions of the words you're using here, look less like men. Feminine literally means "resembling or reminiscent of females" which means... not masculine. Feminine and masculine are opposites.

Saying that isn't being disrespectful it's just understanding English. Any given person has masculine and feminine traits to them but at a certain point you start getting into things that are just biologically different (facial hair, brow ridge, fat distribution) and these things are more or less mutually exclusive between the genders. Someone saying they want Viera men who fit the baseline of masculinity (wherever that may be) isn't being disrespectful they just don't want men who look like women. That's pretty fair and normal to most people.

[Berret_Snow]

If that is disrespectful then it is also disrespectful for people to bash masculine aesthetics, though there has been a lot of that throughout the thread's existence with very little backlash. I'm not looking for an argument and I have stated frequently that I am fine with Viera having one androgynous/feminine facial option to appease those who desire it.

I don't, however, want Viera men to be hijacked to the point where they look feminine across the board - which is what some people here are pushing for. I'm also not sure why you're bringing up revealing racial gear when a few pages back you agreed with my suggestion for them to be clad in a loincloth. I don't have an issue with the men wearing revealing attire so long as it isn't just a copy and paste of the female gear.

Bashing the masculine aesthethic has been this thread's go to since the start.

[Amnmaat]

Did we seriously get baited into this old dance?
This is more comedy than a support thread at this point.

Now here I go and say that I want them to look like the concept art, and then comes the bishounen/pretty boy gang saying they look too bulky.

[Berret_Snow]

Did we seriously get baited into this old dance?
This is more comedy than a support thread at this point.

Now here I go and say that I want them to look like the concept art, and then comes the bishounen/pretty boy gang saying they look too bulky.

From what I understand they just want the males to look like breastless females.