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[Pomelo]

I just want both genders for both races. Considering they did it for us with miquote and roe. I don't see why not in the future

I think this is what I find the most puzzling. If I started FFXIV and the races already only had one gender, this wouldn't bother me.
But when Yoshida stepped up, Highlander Females, Roe Females and Miqo Males were added so every race had both genders.

(I even started as a Male Miqo...and then spent most of my years playing as a Fem Roe)

So if those race/gender combos didn't exist...maybe I wouldn't have played? Maybe the fact there aren't Male Viera and Female Hrothgar...puts new players off too? I don't know. #lifestory.

[Mutemutt]

I concede your point in that it would've made more sense to co-reveal them together at Tokyo, but at the end of the day, I find that reintroducing genderlocks is the bigger strangeness of this fiasco. And their decision to not say a solid no remains a fault in how they handled the situation. I understand why they did every single thing they did so far - I simply resent them for it and think many mistakes were made.

"Your experience may vary". Truth be told, I would've been much more surprised if they actually implemented male viera. Given all the previous representations of the race, I kinda expected it would be female only as far as player characters are concerned. Naturally, I didn't see Hrothgar coming at all.

[BillyKaplan]

Truth be told, I would've been much more surprised if they actually implemented male viera. Given all the previous representations of the race, I kinda expected it would be female only as far as player characters are concerned. Naturally, I didn't see Hrothgar coming at all.

They were considering Viera for HW and even made concept art for them. Which had a lot to do with why people thought they were coming, given the females were confirmed. After all, they already had concept art for them! So at the very least, in that point in time when they worked on it, past representations of the race didn't matter enough to make them think about genderlocking. And if we go by the version of events saying male Hroths came first and then they debated between the females, we know any sort of lore is absolutely not the reason why we didn't get bunny boys. It was because they had already decided on what males they were going to release, and then fell down the genderlock bunny hole for both races.

Honestly, at this point I would have preferred a full Hrothagar race with Fran being left out of the Ivalice questline, replaced with another character from that game. Matsuno isn't why they decided not to introduce male Viera but now I wonder if he's not the one responsible for this mess from another angle - by pushing to have Fran appear, he backed SE into a corner. They couldn't show Fran and not have Viera playable with how requested the race was, but by that point it seems they were already set on making Hrothgars and wouldn't go back on that for the sake of a full Viera race.

[zeylos]

They were considering Viera for HW and even made concept art for them. Which had a lot to do with why people thought they were coming, given the females were confirmed. After all, they already had concept art for them! So at the very least, in that point in time when they worked on it, past representations of the race didn't matter enough to make them think about genderlocking. And if we go by the version of events saying male Hroths came first and then they debated between the females, we know any sort of lore is absolutely not the reason why we didn't get bunny boys. It was because they had already decided on what males they were going to release, and then fell down the genderlock bunny hole for both races.

Honestly, at this point I would have preferred a full Hrothagar race with Fran being left out of the Ivalice questline, replaced with another character from that game. Matsuno isn't why they decided not to introduce male Viera but now I wonder if he's not the one responsible for this mess from another angle - by pushing to have Fran appear, he backed SE into a corner. They couldn't show Fran and not have Viera playable with how requested the race was, but by that point it seems they were already set on making Hrothgars and wouldn't go back on that for the sake of a full Viera race.

Tbh I get why hey made Hrotgar but it made literally no sense to make a race that will earn then almost no money (let's be real, I'm not hating on Hrotgar but it is gonna be as popular as male elezen as best, probably it'll be as popular as roegadyn) instead of making a race that would have made them so much more money, and then maybe introduce Hrotgar later as a side thing. Also there was just waaay more ppl that wanted Viera than those who wanted a beast like race, and even more than hose who wanted the beast like race to look like does with way too many body hair mods stuck together and a moving tail

[reivaxe]

If just an assumption was enough to make you sign on the dotted line then, call me heartless, but I feel like you kinda fooled yourself. I mean, if it was that important to someone, they really should sure it was a certainty before pre-ordering. But see, from my perspective, the people are getting exactly what they were promised in the pre-order: the little bonuses. Once you've redeemed it, you can't take it back.

To be honest, seeing just females in the trailer set off a bunch of alarms in my mind. Staying tight lipped about male viera would be so weird if they were in the making already.

Lets run down the list of things that happened.

Viera reveal trailer shows only females and they animations.
The final Viera concept art revealed at the end only has female Viera. This is strikingly different than how they revealed the last new race which has both genders.
They say nothing about the males until Q&A iirc.
They say that there's a NPC in game right now that sheds some light on Male Viera...
That NPC legit says something to the effect of "they simply do not exists to us".

By all means if this was a topic you're invested in you got your answer. It was most logical to assume the Viera were female only after that, but many people (myself included) deluded themselves into thinking that they would separate the reveals for some reason. Then there was the solid af leaker who said 2 races as well as a newer leaker who said both would be 1 gender AND the Hrothgar leaks and some (myself included) convinced themselves that they would release 2 races with 2 genders.

If someone really wanted Male Viera they got their answer at the reveal.

Tbh I get why hey made Hrotgar but it made literally no sense to make a race that will earn then almost no money

Why do people think making a race is in anyway profitable? It's not, if it was they wouldn't be saying "this is as much as we can handle, please understand". Hell, it makes even the most profitable Mog Station stuff harder to do cause now you gotta animated more things doing the emotes and model more things to wear the glam.

New races are an expensive undertaking to give players more freedom, tis all.

[BillyKaplan]

They say nothing about the males until Q&A iirc.

In which they mentioned the Tokyo FanFest.

That NPC legit says something to the effect of "they simply do not exists to us".

Male Miqo'te.

they would separate the reveals for some reason.

One gender not being done (which was the case for male Hroths, mind) and building hype for something never before seen in the franchise. Again, I agree that if it was a single race, despite it all it would've made a lot of sense to reveal them together, but it's not like splitting the reveal made no sense whatsoever.

There is a lot that was concerning all throughout, I won't lie, but male Viera were highly requested within the calls for playable Viera, and as mentioned numerous times, this is the team that removed the 1.0 genderlocks.
Any sort of delusion about male Viera was born, ironically, out of people having faith in SE and Yoshida's team. "Look they're giving us what we asked for". "They won't repeat past mistakes".
Yet here we are.

[Lauront]

If just an assumption was enough to make you sign on the dotted line then, call me heartless, but I feel like you kinda fooled yourself. I mean, if it was that important to someone, they really should sure it was a certainty before pre-ordering. But see, from my perspective, the people are getting exactly what they were promised in the pre-order: the little bonuses. Once you've redeemed it, you can't take it back.

To be honest, seeing just females in the trailer set off a bunch of alarms in my mind. Staying tight lipped about male viera would be so weird if they were in the making already.

Again, they have reversed gender-locks in the past. The only suggestions of one were leaks which themselves had become wholly unreliable by that point due to the sequence of events surrounding their release and the ones which came after the EU Fanfest were also on flimsy footing at the time. Yoshi's objections voiced in an obscure interview from 2013 seemed to have been muted by concept art released in a FATE art piece in 2014, which featured both genders. Why, exactly, should players have gone in with the assumption of the race being gender-locked? You're also neglecting the fact of how big a hype-builder revealing male Viera at the JP fanfest could have been.

Perhaps some people were fooled, but it certainly will not leave a positive view of the company in their eyes, since they were fooled on assumptions that the team would not repeat past errors.

[Mutemutt]

They were considering Viera for HW and even made concept art for them. Which had a lot to do with why people thought they were coming, given the females were confirmed. After all, they already had concept art for them! So at the very least, in that point in time when they worked on it, past representations of the race didn't matter enough to make them think about genderlocking. And if we go by the version of events saying male Hroths came first and then they debated between the females, we know any sort of lore is absolutely not the reason why we didn't get bunny boys. It was because they had already decided on what males they were going to release, and then fell down the genderlock bunny hole for both races.

I wouldn't put too much stock in concept art. I wouldn't be surprised if they had done tons more concept art pieces of things that haven't come to fruition. And don't get the wrong idea; I'm not saying they couldn't do it because of lore reasons. I'm just saying that I expected they would want to do it this way because of the previous Viera lore, or in other words, I expected that they would want to stick to certain aspects of what we know of Viera from other games including the being pratically female only part. I figured it would just be one of those things that would continue, like moogles going kupo and chocobos eating gysahl greens.

[reivaxe]

In which they mentioned the Tokyo FanFest.

Yes, at that fanfest they revealed the males that would be released in ShB and also definitively stated female Viera only. That's just one of many things though.

Male Miqo'te.

Where in their Lore is it stated that they "simply don't exits to us"? Cause there's a big difference between being not common and straight up "they don't exists to us". There's not many Male NPCs but they clearly exists to us in this world. A NPC that says they "simply don't exits to us" is a good indicator.

One gender not being done (which was the case for male Hroths, mind) and building hype for something never before seen in the franchise. Again, I agree that if it was a single race, despite it all it would've made a lot of sense to reveal them together, but it's not like splitting the reveal made no sense whatsoever.

Then WHY not have them in the race's final concept art that ended the reveal? They coulda said "Oh, no males in the trailer? Haha ... we had to finish up the females first cause of Fran." As we know they're NOT against stating that things are only just getting done.
WHY even bother revealing the Viera Females at that event when they coulda waited for the males to be done if you think that's the reason? If they were 1 race with 2 genders it would only make sense to wait until they're done with both to reveal them. It's not like Viera show up in any other content shown at that event.

Again, just parts to the whole.

[BillyKaplan]

I figured it would just be one of those things that would continue, like moogles going kupo and chocobos eating gysahl greens.

Those are interesting examples given Moogles can effectively be completely different entities, so long as they have a pom and go 'Kupo'. Ivalician Moogles are one such case in point, compared to Hydaelyn's moogles. In comparison, a genderlock feels... meh as a racial attribute. Both because it's not that the males don't exist, they do, and unlike attributes like "bunny people", genderlocks not only aren't such an attribute, but they have a way of being removed, like in the transition from 1.0->2.0.

here's not many Male NPCs but they clearly exists to us in this world.

And Male Viera also clearly exist in the world, or the Dramaturge would've had a lot less text boxes for me to click through.

A NPC that says they "simply don't exits to us" is a good indicator.

That statement is an oxymoron. It only exists in the first place because male Viera exist on Hydaelyn.

The bottom line here isn't that I argue the reality of what happened. Just that there was enough going for people to believe that male Veira would yes be revealed - mostly people's misplaced faith in SE, and that I think they were stupid for going along with a genderlock.