Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[HollowedDoll]

That's not exactly true. They are a part of society, they just don't follow traditions we, as humanity, are used to. Same goes for Miqo'te or even Au Ra to a certain extend, given some of their tribes's customs.

In FF12 Viera didn't even need to be physically close to each other because the Forest would tell them where their kin is. We know that from scene where Fran asks where her sister went.

We don't know if Forest talks to them in FF14 (there is a hint to that in the Fanow, but it's not clear about The Source), but we do know from Dramaturge that one Viera told to him the next: “When I was younger and far more the fool than I am now, I asked a Viera if she did not find her tribe’s ways awkward. Was it not within the natural order for males and females of a species to coexist? The woman answered me thus: ‘The value of coexistence will not be found ‘neath a loincloth. Long has our kind endured understanding that the distance 'twixt two bodies does not dictate the distance 'twixt two souls.’” This dialogue is available at Prima Vista up to this day.

They may not share same roof, but it doesn't mean they aren't close, as it doesn't mean that they aren't the parts of one same society, because they very much are in their own ways.

I suppose it depends on which definition you use, but they definitely don't live together even with each other.

[Caitlyn]

Unpopular opinion: Instead of adding male Viera, they should focus on the existing races.

For example adding more options (Au Ra: dyeable scales, horns and faces separeted, Miqo: stribes on their bodies, Hyur: elezen ears, etc) or fixing stuff for female Viera (wearing hats, using additional hairstyles, etc).

Thats one of the biggest problem in FFXIV: Instead of improving/fixing old systems, they keep adding stuff almost nobody asked for.

[SturmChurro]

Unpopular opinion: Instead of adding male Viera, they should focus on the existing races.

For example adding more options (Au Ra: dyeable scales, horns and faces separeted, Miqo: stribes on their bodies, Hyur: elezen ears, etc) or fixing stuff for female Viera (wearing hats, using additional hairstyles, etc).

Thats one of the biggest problem in FFXIV: Instead of improving/fixing old systems, they keep adding stuff almost nobody asked for.

Too true. The races prior definitely could have used a touching up before male viera, considering the limitations. They've been needing one for quite awhile too.

[Iscah]

I just don't think they can add those sort of things without totally restructuring character data and how the rest of the game reads it.

Adding an entirely new race, on the other hand, is just using the existing template to be assembled according to the same instructions, so it slots into the rest of the game far more easily.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Thats one of the biggest problem in FFXIV: Instead of improving/fixing old systems, they keep adding stuff almost nobody asked for.

Except a majority have asked for Male Viera for a long time. People act like it’s something only a few people want. Considering that this thread has 1481 pages, that’s more than proof enough lol.As for things for the existing races, those are things they'd have to look at the engine for. They've said its the engine that limits them a lot from doing things like that while also they'd have to look at the overall structure of each of those races' data. As difficult as it may be to believe, adding a new race is technically less work than applying changes like that.

[Caitlyn]

Except a majority have asked for Male Viera for a long time. People act like it’s something only a few people want. Considering that this thread has 1481 pages, that’s more than proof enough lol.

I dont think that "a majority" really asked for it. That would mean, that 51% of the entire playerbase would be a male Viera with the release of Endwalker.
The most popular races in FFXIV are Miqote, Au Ra and Lalafell. 1481 pages doesnt prove anything. You can push threads like this.

I just don't think they can add those sort of things without totally restructuring character data and how the rest of the game reads it.

Adding an entirely new race, on the other hand, is just using the existing template to be assembled according to the same instructions, so it slots into the rest of the game far more easily.

You mean, besides the fact to add new models, animations and other stuff when adding a new race/gender? Tell existing Viera players about how the feel when new hairstyles coming out. Or wearing helmets/hats. I rather would like to have a totally new (finished) race instead of an unfinished race "everybody" asked for. Especially for... reasons...

They've said its the engine that limits them a lot from doing things like that while also they'd have to look at the overall structure of each of those races' data. As difficult as it may be to believe, adding a new race is technically less work than applying changes like that.

Like the servers/engine limiting inventory/storage space. But if you re willing to extra pay for it, its surprisingly possible. I think the Devs focusing to much on new stuff instead of working hard to improve existing stuff. Because its easier. I mean, you cant even put a glamour dresser in your house. Or multi-select in your inventory. Or just having 13 accessories (12 umbrellas, 1 wing), but still being limited in your actions... . Blaming the system for something is a lazy excuse in my opinion.


Dont get me wrong. I dont blame players who wants male Vieras. Absolutely understandable. I blame SE's way to keep adding stuff, when they should fixing their old stuff first! Even when 51% of players get their male Vieras, 49% of all other players get nothing in return.

[Ayuhra]

I just don't think they can add those sort of things without totally restructuring character data and how the rest of the game reads it.

Adding an entirely new race, on the other hand, is just using the existing template to be assembled according to the same instructions, so it slots into the rest of the game far more easily.

This unfortunately is true. It's why I don't see customization expanding unless we get more playable clans/tribes which, honestly, I'd be down for.

My perfect world has us getting male viera and female hrothgar then them putting a stop to new races so they can get hair/hats working on the new ones and overhauling customization completely but that is probably a bigger lift than most people would suspect for this particular game.

[Theodric]

It may not be a literal majority but the amount of people pushing for male viera happened to be significant enough for the development team to move ahead with adding them to the game. I don't doubt that they'll be a popular choice.

The amount of likes present on the first post of this thread is also more than I've seen anywhere else on this site and although this forum only represents a small portion of the overall playerbase, it's not as if there hasn't been a lot of talk about male viera elsewhere.

I do hope to see an expansion or rebuilding of the character creation system in the future, though. Mostly because I think that would have appealed to a greater number of players in the long run.

[CherryCola]

I do agree with giving existing races more options, but thinking almost 2000 likes and a thread as big as this isn't indicative of how requested this is seems..odd? It may not be the majority, but clearly a significant portion of the player base asked for it. If you don't play Male characters, you may not see it or care. Yes, female characters are the majority, but male character players aren't too far behind afaik. If we're going to go the "why add em" route, why did they add F!Viera and Hrothgar in the first place? Aura, Miquote and Lala are the most played afterall. I also think its kinda unfair to play the "x got nothing game". Its just something that will happen.* Some of us have been waiting for a tall handsome tall option that doesn't have an noticeable drawback factor in it. For some people Male Viera is it. Some of us have been waiting for a beastly female option that isn't just a borinv human with animal ears and tails put on. Some of us have been waiting for more masculine hairstyles and glamor for their Male characters and found wanting. Not everyone gets what they want all the time.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I do agree with giving existing races more options, but thinking almost 2000 likes and a thread as big as this isn't indicative of how requested this is seems..odd? It may not be the majority, but clearly a significant portion of the player base asked for it. If you don't play Male characters, you may not see it or care. Yes, female characters are the majority, but male character players aren't too far behind afaik. If we're going to go the "why add em" route, why did they add F!Viera and Hrothgar in the first place? Aura, Miquote and Lala are the most played afterall. I also think its kinda unfair to play the "x got nothing game". Its just something that will happen.* Some of us have been waiting for a tall handsome tall option that doesn't have an noticeable drawback factor in it. For some people Male Viera is it. Some of us have been waiting for a beastly female option that isn't just a borinv human with animal ears and tails put on. Some of us have been waiting for more masculine hairstyles and glamor for their Male characters and found wanting. Not everyone gets what they want all the time.

This so much. I hate when people use the argument of “x gets nothing.” Welcome to the world of a male character. We had to deal with not getting a male alternative to the 2b coffer. We’ve had to deal with getting feminine and androgynous hairstyles. We’ve had to deal with a fair amount of our glams being very feminine-esque. All of a sudden we get something big for us:Male Viera, and it’s a huge loss to resources and it isn’t fair to people who get nothing. I don’t see people saying this when they waste resources on Mahjong, or Triple Triad, or Parasols or Gpose Stickers. Let us have this lmao.