Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Vahlnir]

You're free to believe what you like, even if its possibly wrong.

I will, thank you.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I will, thank you.

Goodie, we are in agreement

[SomeRandomHuman]

Viera have been female only since tactics...not XII
And they already explained that they were trying to fulfil 2 requests as this may be the last chance to make new races. They didnt have the time and resources to make all 4. And it takes ALOT of time AND resources to make the races and the genders.

This was explained. They were foreword about it

Then why did they use half-assed excuses to cover up why they didn't do male viera?

And yes, I'm aware tactics came before XII but I'm fairly confidant more people know about XII than the tactics spin-offs.

I'm also sorry for coming at you, but you're never going to clean up the mess that is going back on their word. They added missing genders for 2.0 and say they'll never do it again... only to do it again and twice no less! They have 2 choices: add the missing genders or continue to get chewed out at every turn about it until they do it or XIV shuts down.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Then why did they use half-assed excuses to cover up why they didn't do male viera?

And yes, I'm aware tactics came before XII but I'm fairly confidant more people know about XII than the tactics spin-offs.

I'm also sorry for coming at you, but you're never going to clean up the mess that is going back on their word. They added missing genders for 2.0 and say they'll never do it again... only to do it again and twice no less! They have 2 choices: add the missing genders or continue to get chewed out at every turn about it until they do it or XIV shuts down.

What halfassed excuse? Again, they were foreword about why they did what they did. When asked, YoshiP answered. He gave that exact reason.
And to this day, most Pro Male Viera people either pretend he never said it, or refuse to accept it.

Why are you giving them an Ultimatum, over something that was explained? They did what they did for a reason, that they explained. They didnt hide it, or lie about it.
Chewing them out/Harassing them isn't the right way to go about this. Especially after YoshiP said that they would find a solution if they can. But he didn't make any promises.

[SomeRandomHuman]

What halfassed excuse? Again, they were foreword about why they did what they did. When asked, YoshiP answered. He gave that exact reason.
And to this day, most Pro Male Viera people either pretend he never said it, or refuse to accept it.

Why are you giving them an Ultimatum, over something that was explained? They did what they did for a reason, that they explained. They didnt hide it, or lie about it.
Chewing them out/Harassing them isn't the right way to go about this. Especially after YoshiP said that they would find a solution if they can. But he didn't make any promises.

I suggest you read this post again:

He was ambigous on purpose. If I remember it correctly they even said that they knew that they would get backlash for the decision of including only half of the genders. And of course being vague does not mean yes but under the circumstances the chance that male vieras would happen was just so big. Why should people assume that SE decided to suddenly go back to horrible gender restrictions? And some of us did point it out and we did get told down. Its the same like alot of topics here. Anyone daring to say something negative and a few people will always come and say that we should just trust SE, that they wont do it. And if they do something which we see as bad we are told that we should wait...

Just like we got told that SE said that we will get new hairstyles for the new races and that we should wait...a whole expansion with the new genders is over soon and we did not get a single one. Of course now the goal post was moved again and we are told that SE never said any specific time so its on us again for being disappointed..

Are people sometimes jumping to conclusions too early? Of course! But a lot of time its also thanks to the hype that the devs like to create.



I searched it up.

Ricedigital wrote this after the first fanfest:

In a press conference, Yoshida was asked whether this was going to continue to be the case or whether male Viera would be coming with the 5.0 update to the popular MMO. However, he refused to comment on this matter, teasing that this would be revealed at the Tokyo Fan Fest on March 23rd-24th 2019 (he even did a motion zipping his mouth).

Another site wrote this:

Update: Speaking with Stevivor at a press conference, Producer Naoki Yoshida said that fans will have to wait until Shadowbreakers‘ Tokyo reveal event for more information about male Viera.


Yet another site:
During a Q&A conference with press, game director Naoki Yoshida was asked about the absence of male Viera and the possibility of the race being gender locked to women only. Yoshida refused to commit to an answer, instead remarking that more would be revealed at the Japan Fan Fest, which took place last week. Stirring the pot further, Yoshida also remarked that the Viera would likely be the final race to be added to Final Fantasy XIV, leading many to believe that a reveal of the male Viera options would be coming.


The part you mean is the following which was said after the second fanfest after the backlash started!

In an interview with Gamespot, conducted at the Tokyo Fan Fest, producer Naoki “Yoshi-P” Yoshida responded to the fan outcry. The key exchange is this section:

"We have to identify what they're coming from, so we can respond correctly," Yoshida said about concerned fans. "We want to review all the feedback that players gave. The bottom line is that the addition of a race takes quite a lot of cost; it's really quite an undertaking."

Yoshida added that in Final Fantasy XII, which is where Viera is from, the male Viera do not show themselves in public, so Final Fantasy XIV Online is staying loyal to the lore with only offering a female option. Yoshida explained that the male-only Hrothgar is Square Enix's effort to offer a new male-only race in response to Viera being female-only.

They also went back on the lore statement later and again flip flopped between reasons afterwards quite a bit...from stating that Hrothgar were created first, to them saying that they choose Viera but saw the want for a more bestial race thus introduced the male Hrothgars too. See just one statement being changed from one interview to the other.

The lore reason is also bad because the NPC mentions the males existing, just that he never saw one.

[Theodric]

Wasn't there an interview somewhere, years ago, where Yoshi-P stated that he found the idea of male viera to be 'weird' and that if they were ever added then he'd probably add some other gender locked playable race to compensate? If a source for that could be found, it'd be appreciated. Mostly because - strangely enough - that's exactly what ended up happening years later.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I suggest you read this post again:
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Thats an article about an interview. I actually watched an interview.
But that article says things I already said, that YoshiP has already multiple times.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Wasn't there an interview somewhere, years ago, where Yoshi-P stated that he found the idea of male viera to be 'weird' and that if they were ever added then he'd probably add some other gender locked playable race to compensate? If a source for that could be found, it'd be appreciated. Mostly because - strangely enough - that's exactly what ended up happening years later.

YoshiP saying the Idea of Male Viera is "Weird" has come up multiple times in this thread...
But I dont think I ever heard anything about him adding some other gender locked playable race to compensate.

This actually has me intrigued. This is new lore :0

[WhiteArchmage]

Wasn't there an interview somewhere, years ago, where Yoshi-P stated that he found the idea of male viera to be 'weird' and that if they were ever added then he'd probably add some other gender locked playable race to compensate? If a source for that could be found, it'd be appreciated. Mostly because - strangely enough - that's exactly what ended up happening years later.

Yes, I don't want to go digging for it but it was pre-HW release, and after HW they revealed the Viera concept art, both tiny Viera and muscular one that was probably cannibalized for Au Ra males. I've mentioned how, after his comment about bunny males being "weird" they decide to show the concept art led many of us to think he'd changed his mind, and it was darkly funny that the earlier interview proved to be right.

The thread is literally over 1k pages. Unfortunately, unless a new interview comes out, by now I feel everything's been said 2 or 3 times.

EDIT: Well, I went and looked for it here. Q38. It's dated 2013, while HW, and the aforementioned concept art reveal, was 2015. That's 2 years of "maybe we can make then not weird"

[LisSquid]

Wasn't there an interview somewhere, years ago, where Yoshi-P stated that he found the idea of male viera to be 'weird' and that if they were ever added then he'd probably add some other gender locked playable race to compensate? If a source for that could be found, it'd be appreciated. Mostly because - strangely enough - that's exactly what ended up happening years later.

I'd also like to see a source on this. Not discrediting it outright, but the tale was originally that he was uncomfortable with the idea of men wearing the bunny MGS outfit, and now I'm hearing that it's about male viera. So..