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[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Take a male highlander, put some bunny ears on him, give him better face options and there you go. A great male viera.

[Anvaire]

I'm not against Male Viera being smaller than female, but not to the standard of the Au ra Situation. Given that it is already established that they are indistinguishable until puberty, I would find it remarkedly odd if one was much more diminutive than the other. I actually get why Yoshi P has ruled out child looking playable characters. I think at most we could expect a character to look 18-20ish and I agree why. The bottom line is there are some people out there who would mod them in grotesque ways as they already do with Lalafells. I mean, I think we are lucky lalafells exist at all still because I really doubt they would if the game was released today rather than 10 years ago.

I do think there is a parallel between the art style and availability of diminutive races as unfortunately, small tends to lead to looking young especially as most races have that "pretty" look due to the art style. You couldn't claim a gnome or goblin in wow was a child by any stretch due to the art style of Warcraft uses. So I think even if they did create a small male race, we would end up with just "old" face options.

Beyond this, I think the devs would want to be respectful to the source, to Ivalice and Matsuno who has already said what he thinks they would look like. I get why people want something between Lalafel and Midlander, I just don't think Male Viera will provide it. At best we will get an ever so slightly smaller male Viera and certainly not the short fat bunny images that are going around.

Doesn't mean it doesn't hurt to speculate though.

[Brightmore]

Take a male highlander, put some bunny ears on him, give him better face options and there you go. A great male viera.

Highlander body, Elezen face, Midlander animations, Migo´te voices, Roe Race Gear and Hrothar helms... here we have the perfect Vierastein!

[Theodric]

Hrothgar are already the 'niche' option. That's likely to apply to both genders, if female Hrothgar are ever added to the game. Viera, on the other hand, are the 'idealistic' and 'attractive' option.

What some are essentially asking for is for those of us who actually like and play male characters to be screwed over for the sake of the minority of players who like 'niche' aesthetics. Hrothgar have not proven to be nearly as popular an addition as female Viera, which isn't to say that they're a terrible addition to the game. Just that they're niche.

It makes more sense to follow through with the core aesthetic of Viera for the men, too - albeit by playing up the attractiveness in the context of masculinity. Make them tall, well-built and classically handsome and I guarantee they'll be an immense success.

[Brightmore]

Hrothgar are already the 'niche' option. That's likely to apply to both genders, if female Hrothgar are ever added to the game. Viera, on the other hand, are the 'idealistic' and 'attractive' option.

What some are essentially asking for is for those of us who actually like and play male characters to be screwed over for the sake of the minority of players who like 'niche' aesthetics. Hrothgar have not proven to be nearly as popular an addition as female Viera, which isn't to say that they're a terrible addition to the game. Just that they're niche.

It makes more sense to follow through with the core aesthetic of Viera for the men, too - albeit by playing up the attractiveness in the context of masculinity. Make them tall, well-built and classically handsome and I guarantee they'll be an immense success.

The term classically handsome is too broad...
Too many different cultures of beauty, as we have argued here.
I think the pressure of how they are gonna look will be heavier than what we where expecting of viera/hroth.

[SturmChurro]

I'm disgusted by the fact your only argument is making us bad for wanting androgynous male characters. Yes, there are people who will obviously use them for erp purposes - just like they use Lalafells (and they are a lot more childlike), female AuRas to play as very young boys or Miqo'tes or Hyurs with teenager faces. They will. You could do everything and you won't help it. And even if we consider it disgusting, every race in the game respresents adult characters, not children. It would be the same with male Vieras who are shorter and a bit more delicate than females (and I have a feeling that I have to repeat myself again - being androgynous adult male ISN't being a big child who didn't hit puberty properly). And as I said, nobody is asking for children (in the past people wanted more Feol-like Viera characters, but since we got super fanservice females I haven't seen anyone asking for that young-looking males for them). We just want to have more options that are missing in the game: male slender body and males shorter than females (but the first thing is definitely more important. The second one would just be interesting). It was explained many times by many people and if you're still going with 'OF COURSE I don't think you are a predator who is after children, but you want to play an androgynous male character with a delicate face, SO YOU KNOW...', I'm out of this discussion.

If you are referring to me or other posters, we have all already had this exact conversation, over, and over, and over, and over. I am not just making this stuff up. What I specifically put in my post, has been posted before, and male miqo'te not being good enough has been used as justification for their "androgynous" quota. To shoehorn male viera as some young teen boy. To qualify for their little quota, "variety", "even out the races", they, and again I've had this conversation before, do not acknowledge male miqo'te. They are too tall, their body is too bulky, and their faces aren't androgynous. If you get shorter than male miqo'te you are getting female au ra heights, probably even shorter. Like I said 4'10. They want a slim little boys body, no muscle definition at all, and a soft "Androgynous" face. How are any of those descriptors NOT asking for a child-like race?! I am sure there are people here who firmly agree in the racial quota, who truly don't want a child-like race, but there are many who do want one.

[SomeRandomHuman]

If you are referring to me or other posters, we have all already had this exact conversation, over, and over, and over, and over. I am not just making this stuff up. What I specifically put in my post, has been posted before as justification for their "androgynous" quota. To shoehorn male viera as some young teen boy - which YES some have literally asked for in the past under the exact same justifications. To qualify for their little quota, "variety", "even out the races", they, and again I've had this conversation before, do not acknowledge male miqo'te. They are too tall, their body is too bulky, and their faces aren't androgynous. If you get shorter than male miqo'te you are getting female au ra heights, probably even shorter. Like I said 4'10. They want a slim little boys body, no muscle definition at all, and a soft "Androgynous" face. How are any of those descriptors NOT asking for a child-like race?! I am sure there are people here who firmly agree in the racial quota, who truly don't want a child-like race, but there are many who do want one.

Since you seem to be obsessed with male miqo'te, I'll give you a comparison to midlander.

In terms of height miqo'te have a nice range. They go from anywhere from very tiny at minimum to about averege. Midlanders go from pretty much average to above average.

For the musculature and body shape; midlander is the epitome of an "averege joe" in pretty much every way. Not overly built, but not overly slender. Miqo'te are more top-heavy but follow a similar shape. They have wider shoulders and chests but their legs are a touch slimmer. They have no musculature adjustment and they're locked to around 50 on the slider when compared to midlander's freedom on it.

Midlander has the most faces and each face pretty much has their own flavor to play with. Miqo'te have 4 faces and each have a very defined characteristic: there's an averege face, an old/mature face, a youthful face, and a psudo mature face.

I like to think I now made it clear what I'd like to see: A male with a below averege build with a fairly generous height slider to allow towards the lower end of miqo'te up to the upper middle of midlander. Naturally I'd like there to be some face variety so that it can appeal to more than one niche.

Then as far as shoehorning goes we already know what Yoshi P pictures for male viera thanks to an interview sometime back and his vision is what would most likely happen were they to actually do so. So debating how we think they should look is really just a pipe dream and a half.

[Corrie]

The fact that you guys try to equate androgynous adults to children is really skeevy to me. There are cultures out there where males have more "feminine" features and they do not look like children. Stop trying to paint a whole group with the pedo brush just because you dont want what they want and its easier to get people on your side if you villainize the otherside. This isnt Tumblr.

And again before you jump on me what I want is short really buff veira so dont even try it.

[SturmChurro]

Since you seem to be obsessed with male miqo'te, I'll give you a comparison to midlander.

In terms of height miqo'te have a nice range. They go from anywhere from very tiny at minimum to about averege. Midlanders go from pretty much average to above average.

For the musculature and body shape; midlander is the epitome of an "averege joe" in pretty much every way. Not overly built, but not overly slender. Miqo'te are more top-heavy but follow a similar shape. They have wider shoulders and chests but their legs are a touch slimmer. They have no musculature adjustment and they're locked to around 50 on the slider when compared to midlander's freedom on it.

Midlander has the most faces and each face pretty much has their own flavor to play with. Miqo'te have 4 faces and each have a very defined characteristic: there's an averege face, an old/mature face, a youthful face, and a psudo mature face.

I like to think I now made it clear what I'd like to see: A male with a below averege build with a fairly generous height slider to allow towards the lower end of miqo'te up to the upper middle of midlander. Naturally I'd like there to be some face variety so that it can appeal to more than one niche.

Then as far as shoehorning goes we already know what Yoshi P pictures for male viera thanks to an interview sometime back and his vision is what would most likely happen were they to actually do so. So debating how we think they should look is really just a pipe dream and a half.

I know what they look like. I was referencing posts in the past about this exact same topic. The only thing inbetween is already what I referenced, and I was specifically referencing other's posts. Male midlanders are "too tall" (even their minimum), and like I said again, as you said, miqo'te too bulky, and also they have said they are "too tall" as well (like I said). I was just giving an example for the supposed quota that people want. Also, male miqo'te are literally the race used to describe what faces may look like on a male viera so there is precedent to reference them in general. It doesn't even matter anymore.. Just the same thing over and over in this thread, and I'm a part of it. Tired of this one, this is the second circle.

[Yencat]

The fact that you guys try to equate androgynous adults to children is really skeevy to me. There are cultures out there where males have more "feminine" features and they do not look like children. Stop trying to paint a whole group with the pedo brush just because you dont want what they want and its easier to get people on your side if you villainize the otherside. This isnt Tumblr.

And again before you jump on me what I want is short really buff veira so dont even try it.

It isn't the androgynous bit that makes people say that, this is a long thread with a lot of replies that's seen it all by now. There have definitely been some very suspect things people have been asking for, so when you combine all the traits we've seen asked for a million times before to justify why male Viera are somehow bishōnen the red flags come up for many.

No one has actual beef with short really buff clearly adult Viera other than that's not their own vision for them, it's also not Yoshida's vision for male Viera last we heard so it's just as unlikely as the waifish tiny nymph male Viera.