Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SturmChurro]

His reply was about the other poster wanting Baanga. You know exactly what he meant.
As YoshiP himself said "It would be the last races but we can add the missing genders if we can figure out how to do so." He refers them as missing genders, not as adding a new race. The rationale being that he could tell Square Enix CEOs that he's adding missing genders, they'd ok that. What they will not ok is asking them if they can review adding a new race like Baanga or the rat people from IX.

It's a very specific distinction in terms of what can be added or not; missing genders yes, new race, no. I know you think Zeylos' every post is wrong it's actually correct.

Agreed. You caught me over semantics. I like to make myself seem more intelligent but actually I have a very low IQ.

[BadLala]

His reply was about the other poster wanting Baanga. You know exactly what he meant.
As YoshiP himself said "It would be the last races but we can add the missing genders if we can figure out how to do so." He refers them as missing genders, not as adding a new race. The rationale being that he could tell Square Enix CEOs that he's adding missing genders, they'd ok that. What they will not ok is asking them if they can review adding a new race like Baanga or the rat people from IX.

It's a very specific distinction in terms of what can be added or not; missing genders yes, new race, no. I know you think Zeylos' every post is wrong it's actually correct.

I don't think it's that simple. SE won't care what Yoshida does as long as it produces profit with the allocated budget he gets from them. whether they're called missing genders or new races has no effect on the decision, since it's still the same cost and development process regardless of what they're called. He can perhaps convince them that it will bring good press for the game after the backlash. But good press won't bring profit like actual game content. So he has to figure out how to address the cost issue without affecting the other game content, because content drought is far more worse for the game than not having them added.

[Amnmaat]

I don't think it's that simple. SE won't care what Yoshida does as long as it produces profit with the allocated budget he gets from them. whether they're called missing genders or new races has no effect on the decision, since it's still the same cost and development process regardless of what they're called. He can perhaps convince them that it will bring good press for the game after the backlash. But good press won't bring profit like actual game content. So he has to figure out how to address the cost issue without affecting the other game content, because content drought is far more worse for the game than not having them added.

Adding Baanga goes through a whole different process than adding missing genders of an existing race.
New race has to go through Marketing, Research and development, Data analytics, Brand assessment, and other systems of review. Missing genders of an existing and well studied race is an easier push.

[SomeRandomHuman]

I don't think it's that simple. SE won't care what Yoshida does as long as it produces profit with the allocated budget he gets from them. whether they're called missing genders or new races has no effect on the decision, since it's still the same cost and development process regardless of what they're called. He can perhaps convince them that it will bring good press for the game after the backlash. But good press won't bring profit like actual game content. So he has to figure out how to address the cost issue without affecting the other game content, because content drought is far more worse for the game than not having them added.

In layman's terms: we have to make male viera and female hrothgar profitable. As easy as it sounds, I doubt the masses would trade a few months of playtime for it. That would just be the fastest and simplest method to do to get it to happen. Otherwise all we can do is voice our desire for it so fervently and avidly across all social medias and tagging XIV still and such. Getting polls up and spreading them are pretty much the next best way.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

His reply was about the other poster wanting Baanga. You know exactly what he meant.
As YoshiP himself said "It would be the last races but we can add the missing genders if we can figure out how to do so." He refers them as missing genders, not as adding a new race. The rationale being that he could tell Square Enix CEOs that he's adding missing genders, they'd ok that. What they will not ok is asking them if they can review adding a new race like Baanga or the rat people from IX.

It's a very specific distinction in terms of what can be added or not; missing genders yes, new race, no. I know you think Zeylos' every post is wrong it's actually correct.

So eager to come to someone elses defensive. Lol Guess Ill do the same...
You know what she is Getting at.

SturmChurro's post was about how much work goes into making a new Avatar. Even though Female Viera and Male Hrothgar are in the game, if they make the "Missing Genders" the same amount of work will go into making them. The Model, the features, the customization options, the voices, animations & emotes, and X amount of Premade NPCs. Not to mention fitting the gear to the model and scaling it to how tall you make your avatar.

The amount of work that will go into making the "Missing Genders" is about the same as making a New Race.
This is a good reason for YoshiP to say He can't confirm nor deny the possibility of the missing genders. The amount of work going into making the opposite gender will be just as hard as putting in the new races to begin with, they would like to do it, but dont know if they will, but dont completely rule it out.

Im sure you have fun trying to shut down people who say anything opposite of what you believe, and you have proven to speak for someone if they say something you agree with...
But SturmChurro isn't wrong in what they said.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

New race has to go through Marketing, Research and development, Data analytics, Brand assessment, and other systems of review. Missing genders of an existing and well studied race is an easier push.

You think Square has to do all of that to put in Bangaa?
Its their own Property, why would they need to go through Brand Assessment or do Research? If it wasn't already said that the Viera and Hrothgar will likely be the final races put into the game for a Number of Reasons, you know they would consider it. People loved Tactics, and Ivalice. The Bangaa introduced Gladiators and now Ivalice is apart of the game. Bangaa would be a Fantastic addition if they had the means to do it.
More then 1 playable Beast Race would add even more flavor and Spice to the games Playerbase.

[BadLala]

Adding Baanga goes through a whole different process than adding missing genders of an existing race.
New race has to go through Marketing, Research and development, Data analytics, Brand assessment, and other systems of review. Missing genders of an existing and well studied race is an easier push.

Those are a one time cost, just like any other content that's being added to the game and they're not really the issue. The main issue is the continuous cost after adding them. Adding a new hairstyle requires modeling it and adjusting it for all races available including highlanders and midlanders separately. Adding a gear set will require making sure that every piece fits for all races without issues. So let's say we have a gear sets of 9 pieces and you have to check every piece for 16 models available (Hyur are similar to two races). That's 144 processes. Adding two character models increases it to 162, which is a 12.5% increase. Now some might say that some races use the same body mesh so that should reduce the cost. It does, but it still requires adjustments before using it. The main part that is not easy to get away from is the head mesh.

In layman's terms: we have to make male viera and female hrothgar profitable.

Exactly. And also hoping they can figure out away around the cost.

[Amnmaat]

So eager to come to someone elses defensive. Lol Guess Ill do the same...
You know what she is Getting at.

SturmChurro's post was about how much work goes into making a new Avatar. Even though Female Viera and Male Hrothgar are in the game, if they make the "Missing Genders" the same amount of work will go into making them. The Model, the features, the customization options, the voices, animations & emotes, and X amount of Premade NPCs. Not to mention fitting the gear to the model and scaling it to how tall you make your avatar.

The amount of work that will go into making the "Missing Genders" is about the same as making a New Race.
This is a good reason for YoshiP to say He can't confirm nor deny the possibility of the missing genders. The amount of work going into making the opposite gender will be just as hard as putting in the new races to begin with, they would like to do it, but dont know if they will, but dont completely rule it out.

Im sure you have fun trying to shut down people who say anything opposite of what you believe, and you have proven to speak for someone if they say something you agree with...
But SturmChurro isn't wrong in what they said.

Oh so you think the Marketing department is watching twitch all day instead of doing research and data analysis about their products? You can't just add a brand new race like Bangaa without months of review by the various departments; and it's not only Marketing. Viera and Hrothgar are existing races, it's a different type of request; the research is done.

Those are a one time cost, just like any other content that's being added to the game and they're not really the issue. The main issue is the continuous cost after adding them. Adding a new hairstyle requires modeling it and adjusting it for all races available including highlanders and midlanders separately. Adding a gear set will require making sure that every piece fits for all races without issues. So let's say we have a gear sets of 9 pieces and you have to check every piece for 16 models available (Hyur are similar to two races). That's 144 processes. Adding two character models increases it to 162, which is a 12.5% increase. Now some might say that some races use the same body mesh so that should reduce the cost. It does, but it still requires adjustments before using it. The main part that is not easy to get away from is the head mesh.

My statement went over your head. I wasn't talking about the development part of adding a new race. I was talking about the extra work, review process, and considerations required of adding a new race compared to missing genders.

Exactly. And also hoping they can figure out away around the cost.

The cost is not the problem, it's QA, debugging, and the amount of work. The cost isn't the real problem. https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/389675

[Vahlnir]

The cost is not the problem, it's QA, debugging, and the amount of work. The cost isn't the real problem. https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/389675

That QA, debugging and work costs money to make it all happen.

[BadLala]

My statement went over your head. I wasn't talking about the development part of adding a new race. I was talking about the extra work, review process, and considerations required of adding a new race compared to missing genders.

That extra work is not an issue. They can easily push any content to make room for it without requiring additional budget. They already do that for new content they're designing. The main problem that's preventing them is the development cost and what comes after. Even Yoshida stated that as the first point in your link.

The cost is not the problem, it's QA, debugging, and the amount of work. The cost isn't the real problem. https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/389675

The cost IS the real problem. Cost includes everything from concept, development to QA and debugging and even time. The problem with a new playable race, is that it's a continuous cost that you can't turn back from once you implement it. ARR zones could have been left as is till 6.0 and it wouldn't have impacted any other content since it's still functional. If they completely stopped making any gear for Viera and Hrothgar, the uproar would be much worse than the headgear and hairstyles issue. So having designers spend time to ensure that gear can be used by these races is still a cost, whether it's development, QA, debugging or time.