Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[WhiteArchmage]

Not to mention, as the circular arguments in this thread, that whole "YOU ACCUSED THE DEVS OF BEING HOMOPHOBIC" is already a... weird take because, yes, some posters did, early in the thread, when emotions where high (have I mentioned the whole "left to stew in uncertainty for months" again in the past 10 pages? I feel like I need to bring that up every 50 or so), and even the majority of supporters were all "I wouldn't go that far to say it's homophobia."

Even when I saw where that poster was coming from (a belief that bunny men would be "feminine"-which they don't have to be because the dev team is designing them- was understood by certain posters as something against effeminate men, which... it's a Japanese company, they've had bishonen as protagonists for DECADES. No.), it wasn't a massive chant of "DEVS ARE HOMOPHOBIC THEY SHOULD RESIGN" but a "Uhh... nah, this is the same guy that gave us same-sex Eternal Bondings"Yoshi-P said gay rights

I'm pretty sure I explained some 5 pages ago how several different points came together at the FanFest when Hroths were revealed and how that led to the explosive first reaction when the thread was created. I was angry, sure, but when Yoshi-P's interviews about the dev process for Viera/Hroth started coming out (especially the MrHappy one, which I can certainly find and relink), heads cooled down and we were more than ready to support the inclusion if the dev team finds a way to introduce them. The rest (appearance, lore, etc.) are details.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Not to mention, as the circular arguments in this thread, that whole "YOU ACCUSED THE DEVS OF BEING HOMOPHOBIC" is already a... weird take because, yes, some posters did, early in the thread, when emotions where high (have I mentioned the whole "left to stew in uncertainty for months" again in the past 10 pages? I feel like I need to bring that up every 50 or so), and even the majority of supporters were all "I wouldn't go that far to say it's homophobia."

Even when I saw where that poster was coming from (a belief that bunny men would be "feminine"-which they don't have to be because the dev team is designing them- was understood by certain posters as something against effeminate men, which... it's a Japanese company, they've had bishonen as protagonists for DECADES. No.), it wasn't a massive chant of "DEVS ARE HOMOPHOBIC THEY SHOULD RESIGN" but a "Uhh... nah, this is the same guy that gave us same-sex Eternal Bondings"Yoshi-P said gay rights

I'm pretty sure I explained some 5 pages ago how several different points came together at the FanFest when Hroths were revealed and how that led to the explosive first reaction when the thread was created. I was angry, sure, but when Yoshi-P's interviews about the dev process for Viera/Hroth started coming out (especially the MrHappy one, which I can certainly find and relink), heads cooled down and we were more than ready to support the inclusion if the dev team finds a way to introduce them. The rest (appearance, lore, etc.) are details.

I think a lot of those remarks came from the whole debacle about the bunny suits tbh, where apparently some of the designers were uncomfortable with designing it for males.

[Bright-Flower]

Introducing male Viera wouldn't be that hard. SE writes the lore. They could easily come up with reasons for us to encounter male viera. And in terms of PC male viera, that's up to the players to determine for their own headcanon backstory.

Lore is not the reason we don't have male viera, and lore is not the reason SE isn't likely to add them in the future. It's really jus ta matter of what resources the dev team has.

[Fukuro]

Introducing male Viera wouldn't be that hard. SE writes the lore. They could easily come up with reasons for us to encounter male viera. And in terms of PC male viera, that's up to the players to determine for their own headcanon backstory.

Lore is not the reason we don't have male viera, and lore is not the reason SE isn't likely to add them in the future. It's really jus ta matter of what resources the dev team has.

the only thing important to me is that matsuno is the main writer and somewhat has a say in the design of male vieras. i think he would be more than thrilled to introduce the males in xiv and to be working on xiv once again.

even though i would love to see male vieras introduced first in a new main ivalice series, i don‘t think that is ever going to happen.

that‘s why i think ff14 - a game that combines many elements of past ff titles - would be the perfect place to introduce them.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

--You act as if XIV has ever just dropped a new race and said “idk they’re just here now”.
--How much more lore do you think they’d get in a non-MMO that they are incapable of getting in XIV?

--Viera isn't a new race, it comes from Ivalice which has had its own series of games under the Final Fantasy Name. Hrothgar and Au-Ra are new original races.
--There is a whole thing that could be explored and just a straight up explanation to the culture of the Viera that explains the male side. We know the Females, we know next to nothing about the males and why they seclude themselves from the outside world and the Females.

Lore is not the reason we don't have male viera, and lore is not the reason SE isn't likely to add them in the future.

Wasn't remotely part of the argument just FYI

the only thing important to me is that matsuno is the main writer and somewhat has a say in the design of male vieras. i think he would be more than thrilled to introduce the males in xiv and to be working on xiv once again.

even though i would love to see male vieras introduced first in a new main ivalice series, i don‘t think that is ever going to happen.

that‘s why i think ff14 - a game that combines many elements of past ff titles - would be the perfect place to introduce them.

Ive said many times in the past (I dont expect people I haven't talked to before to know this beforehand) that even though Im personally against Male Viera being put into XIV....Ill be on board if its done right, and there is a lore explanation, especially one that expands on the Viera. If Matsuno himself wrote them and/or co-writes and had a hand in Male Viera Development, I would be excited, because the creator himself would have more care put into it.
Not saying YoshiP or his team Couldnt do it, but Id like it more if it came from the original author.

[BunniEclair]

--Viera isn't a new race, it comes from Ivalice which has had its own series of games under the Final Fantasy Name. Hrothgar and Au-Ra are new original races..

Male viera have next to no lore in any of the Ivalice games. There is no lore to break in regards to them other than “they are reclusive and skilled warriors”. Still, given that they worked with Matsuno for the Ivalice raids, it stands to reason that they would consult him in their creation of male viera as well. I can’t see why they wouldn’t, and Matsuno was quick to shut down the rumor that he didn’t want them in the game when asked about it on Twitter.

[WhiteArchmage]

Because, and I need you to understand this: Yoshi-P. Is a huge. Matsuno. Fanboy. This was literally already answered when they announced Return to Ivalice: This is NOT the same Ivalice as the games. This is an Ivalice-shaped piece of content welded into the world of FFXIV by Matsuno.

They're not using the same everything. I've already mentioned just A FEW of the differences between Ivalician Viera and XIV Viera. They're not even using the same names! Fran is the only Viera with the same name from XII, and if you notice her model, it's different from the other Viera because it's her model from XII:TZA put into XIV (it's the ears, you can tell).

It's a fanservice reference in a game built of fanservice references, how is that so hard to understand?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

By your logic, Hrothgar would not be a new unique race too... as it is tied to the Ronsos.

The only thing Hrothgar have related to Ronsos is that they are called that on the 1st, and one customization option that features a Unicorn Horn.
Otherwise they have nothing to do with Ronso, they are not from the Snow Mountains. Ronso dont live under a Queen, they live by the word of an Elder. And Ronso Males are born with Horns.

2 completely different things.

It's a fanservice reference in a game built of fanservice references, how is that so hard to understand?

The only thing hard to understand here, is why is it so bad to expand on Viera lore to include the males coming out of hiding? And just not be lazy about it?

Male viera have next to no lore in any of the Ivalice games. There is no lore to break in regards to them other than “they are reclusive and skilled warriors”. Still, given that they worked with Matsuno for the Ivalice raids, it stands to reason that they would consult him in their creation of male viera as well. I can’t see why they wouldn’t, and Matsuno was quick to shut down the rumor that he didn’t want them in the game when asked about it on Twitter.

Male Viera are still Viera. And their exclusion from their own games is something worth exploring. If there is no reason to it, then why was it a thing, why have we never seen a Male Viera? The tiny bits of things we know about them has to have a reason behind it, or at the very least it would be fun to explore. So with what we dont know, it would be great TO know something.
For it to be glossed over like it never happened and here are Male Viera suddenly....its just lazy

[WhiteArchmage]

The only thing hard to understand here, is why is it so bad to expand on Viera lore to include the males coming out of hiding? And just not be lazy about it?

I never said it was bad. I said it's not needed because the same Lore that lets the Females break free from their societal expectations and flee the Wood would let a Male do that. I've even said it's likely that a Viera NPC we meet will have a snippet about how and/or why he left the Wood (and there could be DOZENS of explanations, from being born from a Woman that fled the Wood and as such was recruited by a Warden, to, simply, "tradition is peer pressure from dead people" and peacing out in search of Adventure... as the PC is already hinted to be), but it's not needed for PCs for the mountain of reasons I've laid out across 1369 pages.

If it helps you consider this Fran to NOT be XII Fran:

In practice, however, one will rarely encounter a Viera using her forest name, as those who choose to strike out into the wider world will generally choose new "city names" to mark their parting from the traditional Viera way of life. These chosen names are often inspired by the names of other races they encounter, or simply things that they like, such as "Cherry" or "Morning Glory", and so vary widely between individuals. Incidentally, "Fran" is one such name.

Source

Fran's name in FFXII is her "Forest Name", as both of her sisters call her that. In XIV, Fran is her CHOSEN name, so her Forest name is unknown. Ergo, it's not Fran from FFXII, it's an identical stranger using her name for reasons (coughfanservicecough).