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[Kobalos]

If they are unlocked through story maybe it will be linked to the new relic quest line? Folks can but hope.

[Halivel]

WhiteArchmage already explained the Au-ra above. But the only thing Ill say about that is...the Au-ra are a brandnew race so far exclusive to XIV, while the Viera have been established in Ivalice since Tactics, and then we see them again in the Familiar land of Ivalice in XII. Their Lore is already written, and kept consistent. Its not new to XIV like the other races are.

Despite our differences, we both at least agree a good story would make it more interesting for them to be in the game.
And I wont get mad or fight anybody if they DO get put into the game. I just hope and would appreciate some good writing behind it besides "Just because" And this is only exclusive to the Viera, because again, they were made before this game, so Id just like their lore to be consistent and Id rather it be Expanded on, instead of lazily ignored Just to put them into the game.

To be fair, Au Ra are pretty much the only completely new race for FF14, with maybe also Highlanders. Miqo'te are descedants of Mithra from FF11 (which was hinted with Mithra minion). Lalafells are basically Tarutaru (Shantotto says hi). Elezens are Elvaans and Huyrs are Humes. Roegadyns are, apparently, based on Galka, though their design is a little bit different (Roegadyns don't have tails, for instance) and their lore is quite different, but resemblance is there. Just as in FF11, Miqo'te and Roegadyns were one-gender race initially in 1.0, which was changed later in ARR. That said... the lore of other games doesn't really have that much of a weight in FF14, even when they decide to use similar setting.

As for the reason why male Viera would leave the Forest, it's already right there, and it's the same as for female Vieras. Imperia is a threat, and they barely can defend their lands by themselves. I suppose at this point we should see how Relic, Weapons and MSQ stories will go, though, because we don't know yet what Imperia will do next.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

As for the reason why male Viera would leave the Forest, it's already right there, and it's the same as for female Vieras. Imperia is a threat, and they barely can defend their lands by themselves. I suppose at this point we should see how Relic, Weapons and MSQ stories will go, though, because we don't know yet what Imperia will do next.

The Females are Different from the Males though, the Males Value their tradition abit more then the females, they value the Protection of the Woods, and to maintain The Voice of the Woods. Plus the Males don't particularly get along with others, It is very rare that any would step out of the woods and interact with anybody else, much less even interact with the Females besides for 'specific reasons'
The Imperials have yet to make a Move that would Quite Directly effect the Viera enough that I think the Males would come out of Hiding and Sacrifice their Traditions. There was Black Rose, but I think thats been rendered Inert, so something else has to take over, unless the Black Rose makes a return.

[Crushnight]

Hmm lore is finicky as if we take everything at face value to justify why no male Viera and female Hrothgar we get very disturbing implications.

Male Viera
-No male Viera ever questioned their culture and decided against the word of the wood and leave, given the Viera lifespan and their traditions this is incredibly jarring and hints the word of the wood might be something more insidious(Like why must males have the most restrictions on their freedom etc), Dalmascans and Garleans have apparently never seen them which is just odd you think even 1 would like to try and be socialable or when entering the Golmore Jungle seeing even a silloette or something especially in the Garleans case with regards to the new lore on the IVth legion.
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[Theodric]

Liberties were already taken in regards to female viera as they're slightly different in regards to their lore and overall look compared to their FFXII counterparts.

It's almost as if some people don't actually care that much about the lore and they're just using it as an excuse to make it more difficult for male viera to be added to the game. Note how often the concerns come from posters who primarily play female characters and who rarely if ever hold female viera or female hrothgar to the same standard.

Would I like for male viera to have a proper introduction story and presence within the game world? Sure. Though let's not pretend as if there aren't already race/gender combinations that barely get more than a string of dialogue justifying their presence.

For me, the most important thing is that they're added at some point. I think gender locked playable races (or jobs) are exceptionally sleazy as a concept.

[Crushnight]

Hmm lore is finicky as if we take everything at face value to justify why no male Viera and female Hrothgar we get very disturbing implications.

Male Viera
-No male Viera ever questioned their culture and decided against the word of the wood and leave, given the Viera lifespan and their traditions this is incredibly jarring and hints the word of the wood might be something more insidious(Like why must males have the most restrictions on their freedom etc), Dalmascans and Garleans have apparently never seen them which is just odd you think even 1 would like to try and be socialable or when entering the Golmore Jungle seeing even a silloette or something especially in the Garleans case with regards to the new lore on the IVth legion.
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Male Viera
-The first Viis are the stupidest race in this game bar none. They can count the number of males left in the woods on their hands meaning < or = 10 yet what do they do keep the males on the front lines battling the sin eaters, brilliant, only your entire species future rests on them not dying or being turned rather than having the more plentiful and still very capable warriors that are the women out fighting that far away. There comes a point when traditions are stupid and you need to forgo them for survival, brink of colapse is one.



Female Hrothgar
-Helion subspecies females are either in a perpetual state of child birth from sexual maturity or they give birth to large litters of Hrothgars at a time, neither is pleasent but one far more favorable than the other, this is due to having a birth rate so skewed towards the males, this is only to the Helions specifically as unlike the Viera whose only real difference in culture is where they live Hrothgar have 2 very distinct societies with their 2 subspecies.
-this is a general Hrothgar one, but Gridania and Ul'Dah would've arrested a Hrothgar upon entering their city states, Ul'Dah would've let them go on a technicality (Mamool Jas fall under the same techniclaity) and Gridania probably let them go after communing with the elementals because yea Hrothgars are kinda beast like and would raised the city guards attention pretty quickly(Do also bare in mind ARR still had Bealsar's Wall up and Zenos in power in Ala Mhigo so a Hrothgar making their way to Eorzea would be pretty rare as well as any knowledge of their race).


All in all lore at face value to exclude races is iffy and you have to accept the above if plan to do that rather than the rl reason of they didn't make them. The other races didn't get a lore reason for sudden appearance I highly doubt male Viera and female Hrothgar would have one either.

[Allegor]

I mean, it's not a stretch to think that a male Viera wanting to leave the woods would be considered a heretic by its own clan and be killed on the spot, look at how Ishgardians treated their own for mere suspicion of treason. It's already stated many don't even reach adulthood during their training, so who's to say it's not because they try to escape and the supervising adults just purge them for being weak.

I mentioned it elsewhere but there's a suspiciously huge gap between their lifespan and mating season - every 3-5 years for a race that lives as long as 400 years, maybe more, yet they're considered rare? either female Viera are borderline infertile or their mortality rate is VERY high.

There are, however, ways to go around it without altering lore, like saying the player Viera's mother left the woods before the baby's gender was confirmed, or even before they were born, or the mother pulled a Moses and sent away/exiled the baby before the adults could take him, it's all about the player's creativity /shrug

Regarding Hroths, I like to think they're like reverse harpies/werewolves lol. Like, male Hroths can mate with other races, but the child will come out a Hroth. It's a silly line of thought but it's the least....controversial one I can think of to explain how can the race exist naturally while still justifying why females are rare.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Hmm lore is finicky as if we take everything at face value to justify why no male Viera and female Hrothgar we get very disturbing implications.

Male Viera
-No male Viera ever questioned their culture and decided against the word of the wood and leave, given the Viera lifespan and their traditions this is incredibly jarring and hints the word of the wood might be something more insidious(Like why must males have the most restrictions on their freedom etc), Dalmascans and Garleans have apparently never seen them which is just odd you think even 1 would like to try and be socialable or when entering the Golmore Jungle seeing even a silloette or something especially in the Garleans case with regards to the new lore on the IVth legion.
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Female Hrothgar 'Queens' Are Different from Male Viera.
That being said, the MAIN reason we dont have Female Hrothgar, is they just haven't been made yet. Maybe they were gonna be made and they just didnt have the time, because the Team wanted to make a Race They wanted/felt would be needed for diversity, AND add a Race that was highly requested.
Male Viera.....I mean its not like we as players and FF fans have ever seen one to begin with. Not like they don't exist, but even in FF they have never been seen. Besides a very small handful of rare occasions And its not that farfetched to think: like in Cultures IRL, there are those that are more devout and wouldn't break tradition, Vs other Cultures that are more lose and open to the outside world with theirs. Sometimes this even plays into the Gender Norms of their Culture. Male are & do X. Females are and do Y.

Im not saying it can't happen or be written in. I just think the Male Viera should be given at least a little lore to go with them Joining the outside world, considering their current lore. No matter how many people in thei Thread Disagree or simply dont care.

It's almost as if some people don't actually care that much about the lore and they're just using it as an excuse to make it more difficult for male viera to be added to the game. Note how often the concerns come from posters who primarily play female characters and who rarely if ever hold female viera or female hrothgar to the same standard.
For me, the most important thing is that they're added at some point. I think gender locked playable races (or jobs) are exceptionally sleazy as a concept.

I guess what I said is just being ignored then...
Its up to SE/Yoshi-P and team If & how they want to implement them. My personal stance is Id just LIKE there to be a good lore reason for them to come in. Its not some elaborate scheme to make it harder to get Male Viera into the game, its not like its even up to me. Just feels weird that a Male Viera's 1st appearance would be in an MMO instead of a Mainline game, at least one tied to Ivalice. So I think there should be Lore to Expand upon the Viera, instead of adding them "Just Because". Again, this stance is specific to Viera, because they are already established.

Do you, like have some sort of Grudge against Female Characters or something? You like to bring attention to Female Character Players.
I have a Male ALT ive been playing more then my Main here, so I dont JUST play a Female Character.
And...what Standard am I suppose to Hold Female Viera and Female Hrothgar to?....And how does it relate to Male Viera?.... Im lost what your trying to say here

[Crushnight]

I mean, it's not a stretch to think that a male Viera wanting to leave the woods would be considered a heretic by its own clan and be killed on the spot, look at how Ishgardians treated their own for mere suspicion of treason. It's already stated many don't even reach adulthood during their training, so who's to say it's not because they try to escape and the supervising adults just purge them for being weak.

I mentioned it elsewhere but there's a suspiciously huge gap between their lifespan and mating season - every 3-5 years for a race that lives as long as 400 years, maybe more, yet they're considered rare? either female Viera are borderline infertile or their mortality rate is VERY high.

There are, however, ways to go around it without altering lore, like saying the player Viera's mother left the woods before the baby's gender was confirmed, or even before they were born, or the mother pulled a Moses and sent away/exiled the baby before the adults could take him, it's all about the player's creativity /shrug

The 1st paragraph would then raise the question why so harsh on the males, why is a female Viera who wants to leave is just banished never to return but a male doing the same exact thing must be hunted down and killed.

The long lifespan actually gives a bit of leeway to skewed birth distribution as say a Viera female got pregnant 10 times 1 out of those 10 would statistically be a male while the other 9 female this is not too big a problem when their lifespan is 300-400 years because at most (if follow rl human if not go with whatever numbers you want) 90-100 months (8-9 years) pregnant and giving birth which is miniscule in their lifespan (wouldn't be at the time and obviously spaced out between each birth but they could do that, Helion Hrothgar females atm cannot unless very large litters of them at a time).

Oh yea never underestimate player creativity there was always was around the lore from the beginning same with male cats in both ffxi and ffxiv just only ffxiv designed male cats to be playable, Galka however would hard stomp it in their lore whereas Roedygens were made far more loose.

If SE wanted to make sure they could never be asked for male bunnies and female Hrothgar they could've easily added text like the Viera are born from the wood itself and take on the appearance of the word made manifest. Etc they didn't do this and have only themselves to blame for it.

[Theodric]

Do you, like have some sort of Grudge against Female Characters or something? You like to bring attention to Female Character Players.

It's not a grudge. I simply identified a trend over the years that I have played this game. Check any thread that is relevant to suggestions in relation to male characters and there's a notable number of players posting on female characters who insist that it isn't needed. In quite a few cases they show up in threads related to female character customisation demanding that something is added right away. As was the case for many male viera naysayers who lost their minds over the 2B outfit adjustments.

I doubt that I'm the only poster in this thread who has noticed such things.