Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Senn]

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Well, yeah, no disagreements there. Ultimately it'll be up to Yoshi P, Matsuno?, and the devs. As it should be.
Since female viera look great, I think if male viera were to come out, they would look just as good.

Considering the amount of work that current Viera and Hrothgar need, I doubt we would see anything before 6.0. I speculated that if they went to work on fem Hrothgar and Male Viera at the time the xpac dropped and focused on it intensely, maybe 5.3 or so at the earliest. In reality, 6.0 would be likely considering itd be a selling point and the turn over time for the races will likely be quicker after they work out the bugs from the current models.

If male viera were to get added at all, I would say 7.0 or maybe even later personally.

[Tabbs]

It is factually proven that all the races I listed can look feminine. But, apparently that went over your head.

Can look feminine, yes, ARE feminine, no. It was never about whether they can be, but whether they are in general. You can't make # versus # stats without defining the whole race. Please double check next time

[WhiteArchmage]

Well, yeah, no disagreements there. Ultimately it'll be up to Yoshi P, Masano?, and the devs. As it should be.
Since female viera look great, I think if male viera were to come out, they would look just as good.


If male viera were to get added at all, I would say 7.0 or maybe even later personally.

Yasumi Matsuno, the creator of the Ivalice Alliance games (or at least those that codified the IA games) and creator of Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together, which made Square hire him for FFT and the rest is videogame history, one of my personal heroes.

Also, I'm thinking 6.0 could be when we'd get them considering the amount of work that would go into making M!Viera/F!Hroth, and the armor sets will be stuck at the QA level for quite a while. Considering that, it's 6.0 or when the game stops getting major content patches, as a way to entice back/retain players.

[Senn]

Also, I'm thinking 6.0 could be when we'd get them considering the amount of work that would go into making M!Viera/F!Hroth, and the armor sets will be stuck at the QA level for quite a while. Considering that, it's 6.0 or when the game stops getting major content patches, as a way to entice back/retain players.

I'm just curious, but what makes you think they will come at 6.0 at the earliest? I was thinking 7.0 because there seems to be a pattern with the way races come out (we didn't get a new race in SB for example).

[Crushnight]

I'm just curious, but what makes you think they will come at 6.0 at the earliest? I was thinking 7.0 because there seems to be a pattern with the way races come out (we didn't get a new race in SB for example).

I would say 6.0 or bust due to the amount of work that would be required.

Take female Viera and male Hrothgar for example the amount of limitations on them at the moment yet compare it to what would be required for a 6.0 release of the same amount of work 2 genders model, fitted to gear, unique hairstyles, emotes, mount positions etc etc which would be everything up to and including 6.0 (1.0 stuff included) there will be the same limitations if not a few more especially if they keep the current work schedule which they don't seem to be changing at the moment.

Now add everything from 1.0 to 7.0 and it looks bleaker and bleaker as time goes on so long as they have this work schedule, also bare in mind we have no clue how much would be released in 5.XX and 6.XX lifetimes but if on par with Stormblood at least welp i do not see it happening beyond 6.0 not without either heavy limitations on the race (very little gear usable) or a change in their work schedule happens and the developers are given more time( goodluck getting the playerbase to agree with longer waits for patches).

[Halivel]

I'm just curious, but what makes you think they will come at 6.0 at the earliest? I was thinking 7.0 because there seems to be a pattern with the way races come out (we didn't get a new race in SB for example).

I think mostly because 7.0 will have an unbearable amount of clothes for remodeling for a new race.

Even if part of them is just repainting, you still need to adjust them and check that they work without critical issues. Time for some rough math.

We have 9407 armor items, 2981 accessories and 3484 weapons right now according to official lodestone database. It's 15872 in amount. Let's assume that about 20% are repaints (which means that the 3D model is shared) then it's 12697 in rest. The game is 6 years old, 7.0 means another 4 years (2 for 5.0 and 2 for 6.) of new armor items. When we will reach that point, there will be about 27.000 of equipable items already. It's just too much. And this is just clothes without hairstyles (which probably will be limited anyway) and emotes/animations.

And while it's not impossible to bring them for 7.0 if process is smart, the 6.0 looks more reasonable. More than this, I'm afraid that at point of 7.0 the end of life cycle for the game will be very near, so we don't even know how game will go after that.

[Senn]

I do agree that the sooner male viera is added, the better, because there's always new gear coming out that will have to be adjusted. It will pile up over time, so it would be more work for the devs.

I just didn't figure 7.0 would be that far off - it's just a couple of years. I was thinking the cut off point would probably be 8.0 and beyond.
But I guess estimating that male viera will come out at 6.0 at the earliest (if they come out at all) is reasonable.

[WhiteArchmage]

As said, yes, because the longer it takes, the more models need to be checked and the longer the process of making the new race will take, and that's not even considering emotes like /sit, /dance, that must be checked to make sure they don't end up clipping or bugging. The team seems to be overworked enough without adding 2 expansions worth of content to their backlog

[Halivel]

Yeah like... it's not impossible that they will come out in 7.0. Just the chance of it is lower and will drop with every expansion. Though if we assume the schedule where they model just the race at first until let's say 5.4, and then spread clothes modeling in rest ~3 years till 7.0, then it seem to be more logical and not that harsh in terms of deadlines. But I doubt they have such schedule in mind tbh, it has its serious flaws.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Here's my thought, we could very well get Male Viera & Female Hrothgar in 7.0. But, I won't hold my breath about headgear. At least for the Hroths.
Because there is alot of helms and stuff that would need to be completely redesigned & altered for the unique heads, the Viera have a better chance at headgear because they are human-ish faced. But would need to sculpt the gear to have Earholes. Unless they just decide to go AuRa and let the ears clip through.
It might not be SUPER bad...Ive seen a few helms actually look good on AuRa despite the horns clipping.