Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[MikkoAkure]

And yet instead of choosing male Viera and buff Hrothgar females they choose to go the common way of fanservice female Viera and beastly male only Hrothgar as the first and only beastial race. There is a trope for this and they filled it perfectly. That has nothing to do with some RL Agenda.

Its a ressource problem yes, but it was still their decision on what to do with the ressources they had. And instead of doing something else (like getting the first female beast race out) they decided to stick to the trope of beastly men and beautiful, sexy women.

It was less “let’s make a burly man and a sexy woman” and more “we were going to make a full hrothgar race for both genders but we saw how popular viera are but don’t have the resources to produce 2 full races so let’s just replace female hrothgar with female viera”. No matter what, people were going to be upset. If they didn’t have viera as a playable race after teasing us with Fran I guarantee there would have been angry threads in this forum. They just thought that this would be the safest route.

[Duskane]

to be fair if they were not gonna do veira fran would not have shown up since basically said
"we are planning veira so its ok to put fran in raid"

so would not really be any sneak peek to it

[WalxAtNite]

Some people have said it's a lore thing and that's why they aren't in the game.

So on the one hand, I agree wholeheartedly that it's non-inclusive. On the other, though, if it's the lore, and if male Viera aren't available for that reason, how would they introduce it? I seriously doubt this was intentionally exclusive, but that doesn't make it any less so. In other words, from what I've been told, there's a reason it's gender locked. I just don't know what that reason is.

Disclaimer: Please don't attack. Seriously. I'm new to this game and its lore and I'm truly trying to understand why it wasn't made available. From what I gather, the male Viera are extremely rare or some such thing.. or they don't come out and fight... or something.

[Duskane]

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they are pretty similar to miqote
but males just stay as protectors of the forest

they dont really need to much of a lore reason for there inclusion other than "some decide to become adventurers"
Pretty much the same has Au ra,Hrothgar and Viera
or maybe even "Veira law has changed over time and are now free to choose what life they want to live"

[ErryK]

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They quite literally have a subligar for racial gear.

[Angus-Beef]

And yet instead of choosing male Viera and buff Hrothgar females they choose to go the common way of fanservice female Viera and beastly male only Hrothgar as the first and only beastial race. There is a trope for this and they filled it perfectly. That has nothing to do with some RL Agenda.

Its a ressource problem yes, but it was still their decision on what to do with the ressources they had. And instead of doing something else (like getting the first female beast race out) they decided to stick to the trope of beastly men and beautiful, sexy women.

Viera to appeal to people who like tall women, (Female Elezen Players) Hrothgar to appeal to people who like big buff men (Male Roe Players)

This is also what I mean by personal agenda btw, stop pushing your personal view when they had to make two aspects of the community happy with more race options. It's not fanservice, it's not using a trope, it's *how do we make people who want Viera happy, and give something to the people who may want bigger body types*

If Yoshi P has proven one thing he's not looking at fan service, he's looking at trying to do as much as he can with what he has.

[Kobalos]

Yes but my point is that the Viera are sexulised and the Hrothgar aren't. Compare the two races and one is a lot more fan servicey then the other *shrugs*

[Angus-Beef]

Yes but my point is that the Viera are sexulised and the Hrothgar aren't. Compare the two races and one is a lot more fan servicey then the other *shrugs*

That's because you want it to be, you can take that argument and apply it to any game where a women isn't fully covered.

Again personal views aren't helping your case for wanting them in the game.

But in the end were getting them at some point and they have the right to make male Viera and female hrothgar however they want them.

And if you wanna argue over sexulised characters look at every player who only wears a bikini or a subligar for Glam, not the Devs, who don't make the starting gear a default armor piece.

It's a tired narrative imo

[Gwenorai]

Some people have said it's a lore thing and that's why they aren't in the game.

So on the one hand, I agree wholeheartedly that it's non-inclusive. On the other, though, if it's the lore, and if male Viera aren't available for that reason, how would they introduce it? I seriously doubt this was intentionally exclusive, but that doesn't make it any less so. In other words, from what I've been told, there's a reason it's gender locked. I just don't know what that reason is.

Disclaimer: Please don't attack. Seriously. I'm new to this game and its lore and I'm truly trying to understand why it wasn't made available. From what I gather, the male Viera are extremely rare or some such thing.. or they don't come out and fight... or something.

The reason they're gender locked is due to resources and lack of time. Now if they had more time and resources then it wouldn't be a problem and they would have more than likely have been added.

There isn't actually a solid lore reason for why they're not involved - which was why people -including myself- got upset that it was originally used for their lack of inclusion.
As stated in a previous post of mine, their lore states that they follow the 'green word' which is basically a strict code put forward by a forest spirit. There are certain clauses in that code that allows for a Viera to leave.

These reasons basically boil down to; if the Viera race and/or the wood existence is threatened then a Viera has the blessing to leave and seek aid/assistance or deal with the situation.

Why this hasn't happened in the past is because the Viera nor that specific wood have not been under threat - you can find this lore in FF12 and FF14 Eorzea encyclopedia II. With the events with the ascians this has changed; the Empire is approaching on their land and trying to round them all up to force them under Empire ruling. The Viera basically don't give a much of a damn about the other races or what is going on outside of their wood unless it directly involves them. And when it does involve them they use their own forces rather than rely on outsiders for help. Viera are very prideful.

The WoL/WoD is the perfect role for a Viera of either sex to leave the wood and not be branded an exile. Technically they have left the wood to save it and their people.

Note; the reason why some Viera are branded traitor now is that they left not to get help or assistance, they left because they wanted to improve their own lives. Basically leaving to live with other races so they don't have to live under the harsh lifestyle that Viera have. By doing this, other Viera don't class them as Viera anymore - and remove the title of 'Viera' from them. So, Fran in FF12 isn't classed as a Viera anymore by her own people. Leaving without the blessing of the wood also seems to cut them off from hearing the wood speak.

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In regards to Viera being over-sexualised. To be honest - and I don't really care much about it - they are. The first introduction video has them being overly feminine and sexy; while in truth the Viera aren't actually shown like this in regards to personality and the likes in the previous games. Or in FF14 to be honest. I've yet to see one being over the top and acting like a playboy bunny - only real players dressing their characters up like that. And they can do what they want with that - ain't no skin of my nose; that's the bread and butter of MMOs.

Yes, their starting outfit is just ripped from Fran - but what they also did is oversexualise that with the movements and the cutesy emotes. The introduction was just pure 'sex appeal' while the Hrothgar was simply pure 'animalistic beast'. Though in regards to Hrothgar it has certainly done well to attract the bara furry crowd. Which makes sense since said folk used to play male Roe - a lot of the male Roe's switched to Hrothgar. To each their own.

This sells. So I'm not surprised nor do I care that much, just made my eye roll.

Will note that in previous games and including Fran none of the Viera acts like their supermodels or use their sex appeal. Why would they when they literally live a life where the opposite sex is absent for a good portion of their lifetimes.

Either way, meh, marketing.

[Lunavi]

Yes but my point is that the Viera are sexulised and the Hrothgar aren't. Compare the two races and one is a lot more fan servicey then the other *shrugs*

I don’t see How you can claim that the obvuous bara furry race isn’t fanservice, especially when they come with a starting gear set that looks like something out of a more extreme nightclub.

Not all fanservice is targeted at straight men.