Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

Which is, yet again, never said they are being considered. I'm not even sure how any of those words posted there could even be interpreted as such. If anything, what is being said, is a big, huge, large No, due to the costs and time required implied in such a thing.

Sorry but you're the one reading things into that quote that are not there.

He stated that they were not able to add them due to the costs they posed. He then said if they were to find a way to overcome that obstacle, we may see them but that he can't promise it. That is the same thing as considering it. In case you're unfamiliar with the definition of the word:

Definition of consider
transitive verb

1 : to think about carefully: such as
a : to think of especially with regard to taking some action
is considering you for the job
considered moving to the city

I'd say the bigger stretch here is to ignore his words and just translate it into a "no", when he specifically says if they can find a way to overcome it, we may get to see them.

Exactly.
But alot of people can't take that No for an answer. As it is not what they wanted to hear.
For now there is no Male Viera planned.
And I find little reason to keep crying about it since SE already know the demand for them.
That demand won't change the reasons to why they can't implement them.
People just have to wait for the time when it is possible to do so.
It's not like SE is going to forget about it if people stop crying.

Then he could have just stopped at the development issue they present without going any further into the matter. As Alleo pointed out, they could just give a statement like they did on child characters.

Furthermore, no one is "crying" about it. It is a request we're making to see them added. I accept that it may not happen.

Demand can actually change the company's decision, if they forecast adequate profit to be made out of their implementation, which is ultimately what dictates whether the incurrence of the cost is worthwhile, compared to other alternative uses of said funds.

[Komarimono]

Sorry but you're the one reading things into that quote that are not there.

He stated that they were not able to add them due to the costs they posed. He then said if they were to find a way to overcome that obstacle, we may see them but that he can't promise it. That is the same thing as considering it. In case you're unfamiliar with the definition of the word:



I'd say the bigger stretch here is to ignore his words and just translate it into a "no", when he specifically says if they can find a way to overcome it, we may get to see them.

Honestly I feel you're just reaching for anything at this point. Very few are even seeing how any of his words can be quoted to imply that, unless taken out of context, which I fear you and others have done. And things taken out of context lose there full meaning and can be construed in a manner that supports a point when the original content was not meant to support it.

[SturmChurro]

Honestly I feel you're just reaching for anything at this point. Very few are even seeing how any of his words can be quoted to imply that, unless taken out of context, which I fear you and others have done. And things taken out of context lose there full meaning and can be construed in a manner that supports a point when the original content was not meant to support it.

Yeah, I'm with Lauront here. You are the one taking it out of context, and was seemingly being aggressive towards an innocuous comment made by Zeylos of all people, and foisting what he said to blanket many male Viera supporters as "liars", in my opinion.

Yoshida's quote literally reads how it says. You are the one stretching for a "no" here. Trying to explain it like it has something to do with Japanese 'culture', When at the end of the day SE is a business, and just as the quote reads, if demand is there and circumstances allow they would consider implementing male viera.

[Komarimono]

Yeah, I'm with Lauront here. You are the one taking it out of context, and was seemingly being aggressive towards an innocuous comment made by Zeylos of all people, and foisting what he said to blanket many male Viera supporters as "liars", in my opinion.

Yoshida's quote literally reads how it says. You are the one stretching for a "no" here. Trying to explain it like it has something to do with Japanese 'culture', When at the end of the day SE is a business, and just as the quote reads, if demand is there and circumstances allow they would consider implementing male viera.

I'm not finding this quote though, ones I have found have been taken out of context and not representing their true meaning, hence why I asked for the exact quote and the link to it.

I feel that is fair, to ask for exact source and location of said source. Do you not?

Edit:

In referring to the comment of lying, it is exactly what that is, a lie. The wording was posted in such a way claiming that male Viera would appear in 6.0. If that offends someone, I surely won't apologize for calling someone out for it. I see things as they are, how I am.

And if people are referring to the gamespot article, from March 25th, the official post trumps it due to being in May 9th, which is after March and the current official stance.

So, I'm curious what the basis is for these claims, if there is anything more recent then May 9th from official or reliable sources. I'm not afraid to admit in being in the wrong, but I won't know if I am if don't find said source. I prefer facts, not rumors and conjecture.

[SturmChurro]

I'm not finding this quote though, ones I have found have been taken out of context and not representing their true meaning, hence why I asked for the exact quote and the link to it.

I feel that is fair, to ask for exact source and location of said source. Do you not?

I feel that it is fair that you could have read posts in this thread where I literally provided the link with Yoshida's statements in response to another poster. Along with the fact that I literally got said link from Lauront who posted it a page before that, unless we are all somehow talking about different things here.

[Komarimono]

I feel that it is fair that you could have read posts in this thread where I literally provided the link with Yoshida's statements in response to another poster. Along with the fact that I literally got said link from Lauront who posted it a page before that, unless we are all somehow talking about different things here.

Please read my edit, since things linked are not to current events to match their claims.

[Alleo]

Honestly I feel you're just reaching for anything at this point. Very few are even seeing how any of his words can be quoted to imply that, unless taken out of context, which I fear you and others have done. And things taken out of context lose there full meaning and can be construed in a manner that supports a point when the original content was not meant to support it.

But if he means no, why not say no? He is quite able to do that with other stuff so why not here? Why give different opinions in different interviews?

It might be in japanese culture to not say outright no (but again he did that with other topics) but he is not just dealing with a JP audience. As long as a comment is in anyway not fully clear and can be read differently then its onto the one that did the statement to correct themselves. Otherwise people should be allowed to take their view on it. In the end he stated different things on different sites and interviews. Seemingly if everything is clear and we wont ever get them, then its kinda misleading to talk about it like that, right?

(Also since hearing that the JP players do have black lists outside the game which will make it bad for anyone ever getting there and that Yoshida keeps his life privat to shield his family from some fans..I really cringe a bit at those wanting to put the JP side on a pedestal. They have their own bad side too)

[Komarimono]

But if he means no, why not say no? He is quite able to do that with other stuff so why not here? Why give different opinions in different interviews?

It might be in japanese culture to not say outright no (but again he did that with other topics) but he is not just dealing with a JP audience. As long as a comment is in anyway not fully clear and can be read differently then its onto the one that did the statement to correct themselves. Otherwise people should be allowed to take their view on it. In the end he stated different things on different sites and interviews. Seemingly if everything is clear and we wont ever get them, then its kinda misleading to talk about it like that, right?

(Also since hearing that the JP players do have black lists outside the game which will make it bad for anyone ever getting there and that Yoshida keeps his life privat to shield his family from some fans..I really cringe a bit at those wanting to put the JP side on a pedestal. They have their own bad side too)

I can easily answer this for you in at least the why certain things are a clear No. Anything involving children in the Western Worlds is always a no. You never skirt the subject, you never leave that option open ever. It's a strong taboo, illegal, immoral etc. So "Youthful" "Young Looking" "Child Like" will always be responded to such a way with good reason.

The rest he has always left open though, not to flat out denying since there's always a chance it can happen or things could change. Most times there isn't a change, but it helps in a sense keep people interesting, a simple and effective tactic used in gaming in general.

But one should not claim rumors and opinions as fact, when they are not yet. That's my only stance. People putting their wishes and opinions as a factual base is a bad thing, everywhere in the world. It's just sad Zeylos is the one instigating and perpetuating it the most thinking his opinion as fact, when they shouldn't. "Taking 1.5 years for new races so others should be easier" Forgetting that their focus right now is progressing content through Shadowbringer first and foremost. Claiming Japanese want this and that, when I am Japanese and he doesn't speak for me, nor my friends and surely not the populace あほ

I mean seriously, saying Hrothgar are played since people wanted tough furry gay men?

This is the stuff I am against, fallacies and ignorance. I want facts, sources, and truth. Not that hard. Not people pushing what they want, or think, or wish as being true when it's far from it, to then say, well he didn't say a firm no so it will happen! That logic makes no sense to me. Alas, I'm the bad person, even though would love Male Viera, because I don't conform to others pushing their personal agendas that have no basis on male viera being put into the game.

[zeylos]

I can easily answer this for you in at least the why certain things are a clear No. Anything involving children in the Western Worlds is always a no. You never skirt the subject, you never leave that option open ever. It's a strong taboo, illegal, immoral etc. So "Youthful" "Young Looking" "Child Like" will always be responded to such a way with good reason.

The rest he has always left open though, not to flat out denying since there's always a chance it can happen or things could change. Most times there isn't a change, but it helps in a sense keep people interesting, a simple and effective tactic used in gaming in general.

But one should not claim rumors and opinions as fact, when they are not yet. That's my only stance. People putting their wishes and opinions as a factual base is a bad thing, everywhere in the world. It's just sad Zeylos is the one instigating and perpetuating it the most thinking his opinion as fact, when they shouldn't. "Taking 1.5 years for new races so others should be easier" Forgetting that their focus right now is progressing content through Shadowbringer first and foremost. Claiming Japanese want this and that, when I am Japanese and he doesn't speak for me, nor my friends and surely not the populace あほ

I mean seriously, saying Hrothgar are played since people wanted tough furry gay men?

This is the stuff I am against, fallacies and ignorance. I want facts, sources, and truth. Not that hard. Not people pushing what they want, or think, or wish as being true when it's far from it, to then say, well he didn't say a firm no so it will happen! That logic makes no sense to me. Alas, I'm the bad person, even though would love Male Viera, because I don't conform to others pushing their personal agendas that have no basis on male viera being put into the game.

Why do u even take everything like that? Saying male hrotgar are mostly played by gay furries, isnt only true, but is fine. And even if it wasnt true, just dont take it seriously since its obviously an exaggeration. I think everybody should take things with a pinch of salt. Plus, I think that everyone when gviing their opinion states that its what they think, so I dont see a single issue with it

[Komarimono]

Why do u even take everything like that? Saying male hrotgar are mostly played by gay furries, isnt only true, but is fine. And even if it wasnt true, just dont take it seriously since its obviously an exaggeration. I think everybody should take things with a pinch of salt. Plus, I think that everyone when gviing their opinion states that its what they think, so I dont see a single issue with it

Point proven, pushing an agenda that has no basis for the role.