Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Melichoir]

Just a recommendation for the thread: Youre may see some inflammatory "Told you so,"-esque posts that are not discussing the thread or the LL constructively, but rather exist to be abbrasive and slap down other positions they dont agree with. Might be better to not engage with posters in any capacity who aim to do this. If real discussion is the goal, they can say there peace (even if its there to start trouble), but no one has to respond or feed into it. Id just recommend ignoring said posts going forward and just remain on civil discussion. Might get better results, but thats only a suggestion. Derp

[Lauront]

Coming from both a legacy player who has followed this game super close since 2010 and someone who really doesn't care about genderlocking at all and would rather see genderlocks if it give us more races, I will still confirm he did say this when discussing male Miquote and female Roe. He claimed it was an antiquated system that no longer served a purpose in mmos. But he gave his reasons on why they were brought back and they make sense. I don't see the issue, personally.

More races which I don't intend to play isn't much use to me. I am glad for those who got what they wanted, yet I will continue to respectfully ask for what I would prefer to see, which is male Viera and extended customisation options for existing races/graphics improvements. They are within their rights to ignore me and, if it comes to it, that may mean I eventually withdraw my custom and take it elsewhere, depending on how I feel about the game at that stage. Such is life.

Regarding the reasons he gave, there is no issue with them, in and of themselves, but it definitely does highlight that they're stretching resources too thinly, and possibly not being afforded enough by SE to make the game shine. With the number of botched projects in the game, we're certainly within our rights to question the underlying causal factors behind the reasons presented.

I thought Miquote were the most ERPed currently, did that change?

That's what I mean - she was posting as a catgirl up until her most recent post. So the concern about mViera being used to "feed" ERP is rather rich.

[WhiteArchmage]

That's what I mean - she was posting as a catgirl up until her most recent post. So the concern about mViera being used to "feed" ERP is rather rich.

And even then, I've been made to believe lalas are very popular for other ERP purposes, so point still stands. Which still makes me wonder why anyone cares about what people do in the comfort or their apartments or private houses. I believe if people engage in that behavior in public spaces like /say or /shout in Limsa it's actually reportable (honestly don't know, feel free to correct me), but that's like wanting to stop a Halloween store from opening in the nearby mall because their bunny ears may be worn somewhere other than the head.

Honestly, the only argument that makes any sense by now is wanting dev time to be used elsewhere, since apparently they're already stretched thin. And I can get behind that, you do you (er... a general you, this hasn't been directed at Lauront for a while lol), I'll just respectfully disagree, by pointing out that maybe it's time the XIV team gets a bigger budget and more people (in all spaces like designers, coders and QA), or that I wouldn't mind the patch cycle being every 4/4.5 months (it's already releasing staggered content in .51/.57 patches) since Yoshi-P himself has suggested people take breaks and play other games once in a while.

The Lore argument? Non-existant now that he said they'll be mentioned in-game. Them not being available in previous games? Irrelevant for this game. No child models? Irrelevant thanks to Yoshi's own view of M!Viera's design. Not worth the dev cost? May hold some ground if one can produce legitimate proof that interest in said gender options would be low enough, until then it's just as much speculation as we're doing here.

Ugh, sorry, promised m'self I wouldn't get too long-winded... >_>

[zeylos]

And even then, I've been made to believe lalas are very popular for other ERP purposes, so point still stands. Which still makes me wonder why anyone cares about what people do in the comfort or their apartments or private houses. I believe if people engage in that behavior in public spaces like /say or /shout in Limsa it's actually reportable (honestly don't know, feel free to correct me), but that's like wanting to stop a Halloween store from opening in the nearby mall because their bunny ears may be worn somewhere other than the head.

Honestly, the only argument that makes any sense by now is wanting dev time to be used elsewhere, since apparently they're already stretched thin. And I can get behind that, you do you (er... a general you, this hasn't been directed at Lauront for a while lol), I'll just respectfully disagree, by pointing out that maybe it's time the XIV team gets a bigger budget and more people (in all spaces like designers, coders and QA), or that I wouldn't mind the patch cycle being every 4/4.5 months (it's already releasing staggered content in .51/.57 patches) since Yoshi-P himself has suggested people take breaks and play other games once in a while.

The Lore argument? Non-existant now that he said they'll be mentioned in-game. Them not being available in previous games? Irrelevant for this game. No child models? Irrelevant thanks to Yoshi's own view of M!Viera's design. Not worth the dev cost? May hold some ground if one can produce legitimate proof that interest in said gender options would be low enough, until then it's just as much speculation as we're doing here.

Ugh, sorry, promised m'self I wouldn't get too long-winded... >_>

I think fortnite is a great example for devs on patch cycles. Even though they have like, 50 times the budget XIV has, they release small updates every week, and every 2 months a significantly bigger one. For FFXIV, this could be translated to a small update every month, and every 4-5 months a much bigger update.
By small update, I mean about 1/3 or 1/4 of current patches, and the bigger patches to be 1/2 of the current ones

[Melichoir]

... maybe it's time the XIV team gets a bigger budget and more people (in all spaces like designers, coders and QA), or that I wouldn't mind the patch cycle being every 4/4.5 months (it's already releasing staggered content in .51/.57 patches) since Yoshi-P himself has suggested people take breaks and play other games once in a while.

The bigger budget thing is what strikes me as being relevant. Something YoshiP said in the LL was that the issue wasnt something you could throw money at. I actually disagree. This is one of those situations where more money actually would make a difference. More money = more team members = greater output. The requirements for installing the off sexes of Hrothgar adn Viera is literally a man power issue. They already know the process to update armors and gear to fit a model, so teh time sink is the design side, and the QC side. Both of those are man power issues. This isnt a case where theyre developing a new physics engine or what not. So yeah, more money would help.

[Senn]

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He said more money or staff wasn't the issue. It was a QA and bugging issue. From what I understand, you disagree with Yoshida on this point?

It seems like the main concern is if male viera is being worked on, patches would come out slower. For those of us who would not be bothered by slower patches, we should voice this opinion in this thread. To anyone reading this, simply say slower patches will not bother you if it meant male viera and female hrothgar will get implemented so the forum staff can relay this feedback.

[SoloWingMetatron]

He said more money or staff wasn't the issue. It was a QA and bugging issue. From what I understand, you disagree with Yoshida on this point?

It seems like the main concern is if male viera is being worked on, patches would come out slower. For those of us who would not be bothered by slower patches, we should voice this opinion in this thread. To anyone reading this, simply say slower patches will not bother you if it meant male viera and female hrothgar will get implemented so the forum staff can relay this feedback.

Slower patches most definitely would not bother me. I think the quality of the content is suffering due to the 3 month patch releases, which effects far more than just races and genderlocks in my opinion. I feel slower patches would be more beneficial for the game and the devs as a whole.

[Roda]

He said more money or staff wasn't the issue. It was a QA and bugging issue. From what I understand, you disagree with Yoshida on this point?

It seems like the main concern is if male viera is being worked on, patches would come out slower. For those of us who would not be bothered by slower patches, we should voice this opinion in this thread. To anyone reading this, simply say slower patches will not bother you if it meant male viera and female hrothgar will get implemented so the forum staff can relay this feedback.

I would absolutely be willing to have less eureka type updates if it meant finishing these races.

As stated earlier, a muscle slider would make for an excellent compromise. As Lauront's poll revealed, there's a lot of appetite for Viera men to be fairly bulky. The degree in which people desire bulk varies, yet that is precisely why a slider would work well.

A slider only works as a texture, there's no actual bulk being added or subtracted.
And I'd rather the cohesiveness of the design not be focus tested into oblivion like the au ra's was.
Players who want bulk have highlanders, au ra, and roes, players who want to be long and lithe have... the weirdly proportioned, super angular elezen. The design niches aren't exactly balanced or even filled if someone wants a softer but still athletic lanky male character.

[jake200135]

I would absolutely be willing to have less eureka type updates if it meant finishing these races.

Omg, I wouldn't mind if they never gave us another Eureka ever again, even if they didn't give us male Viera. Eureka was a mistake. lol