Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Mochamonarch]

That wasn't how it played out at all.

Some of the same people initially pushing for child-like viera simply switched to pushing for feminine, androgynous and short viera instead. That more than anything is why there's a measure of suspicion surrounding those pushing for such aesthetics. To say nothing of the fact that it doesn't even fit with how Yoshi-P and Matsuno envision male viera to begin with.

Now, that isn't to say that everybody asking for feminine and androgynous male viera is in the same basket. Though the damage has already been done and the simple fact that Yoshi-P had to state outright that child-like viera will not be added to the game is incredibly troubling.

I think the term you're looking for is "Dog-whistling", people using events/conversations as an excuse to slip in their own views and signal to other people that share them through coded language. and to be fair, the same thing has happened on the other side of the coin, as people have used the exclusion of male viera as an excuse to spew some rather homophobic beliefs.

Honestly, I for one am in the camp that would adore to have more feminine viera, but this can easily be achieved by the team just putting in the obligatory "young/feminine" facial option in one of the 4 they give upon character creation; every race has one, so I know for a fact they'd get one as well. So I don't know why people are infighting when it comes to the body type/look of male viera, because they won't have one single look. All square needs to do is give us the faces, and give the muscle slider to every race dammit. I will never understand why only hyur have it.

Ironically enough, a JP friend of mine was here when male miqo's were released and commented that various JP players found the catboys too masculine, and felt they did it to appeal to westerners.

[Mugear_bahamut]

That wasn't how it played out at all.

Some of the same people initially pushing for child-like viera simply switched to pushing for feminine, androgynous and short viera instead. That more than anything is why there's a measure of suspicion surrounding those pushing for such aesthetics. To say nothing of the fact that it doesn't even fit with how Yoshi-P and Matsuno envision male viera to begin with.

Now, that isn't to say that everybody asking for feminine and androgynous male viera is in the same basket. Though the damage has already been done and the simple fact that Yoshi-P had to state outright that child-like viera will not be added to the game is incredibly troubling.

As for the whole 'ERP' argument. I'm in favour of people acting with dignity. If they do it, they shouldn't wear it as a badge of honour. I've seen some horrid stuff on Balmung and the unfortunate truth is that a growing number of role-players become obsessed with it to the point where it dictates all of their interactions.

The idea that everybody who wants male viera desires them for ERP purposes, however, is silly. Some of us just dig the whole 'fierce forest hunter' aesthetic and they're a close match to that.

No you shouldn't associate wanting a child-like Viera with wanting a short/feminine viera. I for one stood my ground, and never changed my opinion.
I never said I wanted child-like male Viera and switched to wanting just short male Viera. But you judge someone for being so. I tell you, that's exactly what is happening now.
People are correlating liking ERP with just wanting male Viera. I don't give a donkey's arse about Balmung. People there do it with any race.

[Halivel]

I will never understand why only hyur have it.

I believe Yoshi said that they have the limit for features that they can use. So every race has some unique one, but only one. Let's say... muscles, tails, ears, etc.

Ironically enough, a JP friend of mine was here when male miqo's were released and commented that various JP players found the catboys too masculine, and felt they did it to appeal to westerners.

To be fair, Miqo'te aren't feminine. But they aren't too masculine, though, they are just athletic.

[Mochamonarch]

To be fair, Miqo'te aren't feminine. But they aren't too masculine, though, they are just athletic.

Yeah they are. Now. Remember, that was because of the supposed "Western influence" JP players feel played a part in the catboys we know now.

[Gwenorai]

Yeah they are. Now. Remember, that was because of the supposed "Western influence" JP players feel played a part in the catboys we know now.

I'm confused. Even the NPC male Mi'qote are masculine. I don't recall coming across a feminine one, even the one that is in a relationship with a male Highlander. Do they come across differently in the JP version of the game?

[zeylos]

I believe Yoshi said that they have the limit for features that they can use. So every race has some unique one, but only one. Let's say... muscles, tails, ears, etc.


To be fair, Miqo'te aren't feminine. But they aren't too masculine, though, they are just athletic.

I never understood what makes male miqote femenine. Theyre masculine short anime boys

[Mochamonarch]

I'm confused. Even the NPC male Mi'qote are masculine. I don't recall coming across a feminine one, even the one that is in a relationship with a male Highlander. Do they come across differently in the JP version of the game?

No no, I mean when male miqo'te first dropped way back when, that's what some JP players had to say about them. they found them too masculine.

[Gwenorai]

No no, I mean when male miqo'te first dropped way back when, that's what some JP players had to say about them. they found them too masculine.

Ah, I see. I understand now.

[Halivel]

I never understood what makes male miqote femenine. Theyre masculine short anime boys

I don't understood either. They aren't even short tbh. They are under European average height, yes, but very far from being anything what you would call actually "short".

But I suppose it's the matter of perspective.

[zeylos]

Personally,I think that having femenine men, masculine women, femenine women and masculine men should be a game staple, and I'd liek female hrotgar to be masculine. As for male viera, I wouldnt midn them more femenine, but I'd prefer masculine since we already have elezen