Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

I did, but it makes sense now that you clarified that. I just got confused because you mentioned Viera instead of Viis.

[Alleo]

I did, but it makes sense now that you clarified that. I just got confused because you mentioned Viera instead of Viis.

Oh sorry my bad. I just have the names of the source races in my head but you are right I should have probably called them Viis to make it more clear.

[official_coconut]

"A thread on the forums" is the reason we can be Viera and Hrothgar today so there's nothing wrong in requesting the missing genders through this one.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I still don't understand why Male Viera are so important to have as Playable.
Nor the outrage that quickly follows as soon as somebody brings up the Races Lore... I mean we are talking about an established race that was created in 2003, but people wanna say just re-write it so we can have it in FFXIV

Not saying people aren't allowed to want things, but how badly people want this is just so far out there.

[Lauront]

I still don't understand why Male Viera are so important to have as Playable.
Nor the outrage that quickly follows as soon as somebody brings up the Races Lore... I mean we are talking about an established race that was created in 2003, but people wanna say just re-write it so we can have it in FFXIV

Not saying people aren't allowed to want things, but how badly people want this is just so far out there.

The race in Ivalice and in the XIV setting are two different things. They take inspiration from the former, but in both cases the males exist. I believe in XII's case their budget simply limited their ability to implement them. There is no re-writing here and you can't take the Ivalice lore and say it constrains what they must do in XIV. The "outrage" regarding the lore is more that it's being misapplied conclude that the developers are ruling out the addition of male Viera for that reason... but we know both from Matsuno and Yoshi-P that it's not the case. The way the lore is written in XIV is solely to explain why we're not seeing them much as things stand - it does not mean circumstances can't change so that we can both see and play them.

As to why people want them as playable... more options. Not sure what's so hard to grasp about that. Especially given the concept art SE pitched in the past, and given how Yoshi-P has described them, people are drawn in by the character concept. Much like some are by female Hrothgar based on female Ronso.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The race in Ivalice and in the XIV setting are two different things. They take inspiration from the former, but in both cases the males exist. I believe in XII's case their budget simply limited their ability to implement them. There is no re-writing here and you can't take the Ivalice lore and say it constrains what they must do in XIV. The "outrage" regarding the lore is more that it's being misapplied conclude that the developers are ruling out the addition of male Viera for that reason... but we know both from Matsuno and Yoshi-P that it's not the case. The way the lore is written in XIV is solely to explain why we're not seeing them much as things stand - it does not mean circumstances can't change so that we can both see and play them.

As to why people want them as playable... more options. Not sure what's so hard to grasp about that. Especially given the concept art SE pitched in the past, and given how Yoshi-P has described them, people are drawn in by the character concept. Much like some are by female Hrothgar based on female Ronso.

The Limitation argument doesn't work in FFXII's case. Its not an MMO, its a full-fledged Single Player JRPG. They could have put even at least 1 in if they wanted to. Literally, the only reason and excuse...is because...lore. The Males were always 'non-existent' and ever seeing one is akin to seeing a Dragon IRL.
I won't disagree, several times Ive said that if they COULD write in a GOOD reason from them to come out of hiding, or maybe even create a new Clan of Males, then I could support it. What Im not grasping is how aggressive people have been about this. Options are one thing, but threatening to not support a game, questioning FFXIV's budget, calling Yoshi and the Dev team childish & vulgar names, making it a Gender Issue, attempting to bring in social justice, none of that makes sense. Its almost like Life and Death in the case of Male Viera, to the point it almost feels like this goes beyond "Options" in a video game.
If you get where Im coming from.

Re-reading your first sentence there, do we even know what World Ivalice takes place in? I mean what are the odds that Eorzea & Dalmasca probably exist in the same Universe?
We literally go to Rabanastre, and I know I read or saw in an Interview that The Ivalice Raid was a continuation of the Storyline for War of the Lions. So IDK, maybe the 2 are actually connected.

[Crushnight]

Re-reading your first sentence there, do we even know what World Ivalice takes place in? I mean what are the odds that Eorzea & Dalmasca probably exist in the same Universe?
We literally go to Rabanastre, and I know I read or saw in an Interview that The Ivalice Raid was a continuation of the Storyline for War of the Lions. So IDK, maybe the 2 are actually connected.

Non existant they do not share the same in game universe for few reasons
-Ashe and Vassler are siblings in FFXIV while in FFXII there were newly weds
-Gabranth is a garlean Legatus not a man from a subjugated province risen to the rank of Judge
-Rabanstre is built upon Lesalia not the other way around like in the Ivalice alliance universe
-Bah'gamnan is sympathetic being a former captain failing to protect his charge rather than a bounty hunter bad generic bad guy
-Fran is a resistance leader general not a sky pirate traveling with Balthier

I could go on but i think that is enough to make the point they do not occupy the same universe, they are references and certainly way more on the nose than other things in ffxiv but that is their only connection.

The problem with Lore though is currently we, as in both sides pro and con, cannot use the 1st's Vils as any sort of gauging on what Viera are like because they have lived entirely separate social lives/history, thus any insight to them can only tells us how they are like on the 1st not the Source meaning if the Vils are about to face extinction it doesn't mean male Viera could never be playable just like if the Vils are booming with males doesn't mean that male Viera will be playable.

Right now we only have what was told to us in SB and the race descriptions for Viera and Hrothgar(yet to do GNB storyline so may have more insight there). and atm this lore is flimsy it can be taken either way and is purposely left vague enough that if they do add them it is a simple change if they don't they don't have to do anything leaving it as vague as it is.

[WhiteArchmage]

The Limitation argument doesn't work in FFXII's case. Its not an MMO, its a full-fledged Single Player JRPG. They could have put even at least 1 in if they wanted to. Literally, the only reason and excuse...is because...lore. The Males were always 'non-existent' and ever seeing one is akin to seeing a Dragon IRL.
I won't disagree, several times Ive said that if they COULD write in a GOOD reason from them to come out of hiding, or maybe even create a new Clan of Males, then I could support it. What Im not grasping is how aggressive people have been about this. Options are one thing, but threatening to not support a game, questioning FFXIV's budget, calling Yoshi and the Dev team childish & vulgar names, making it a Gender Issue, attempting to bring in social justice, none of that makes sense. Its almost like Life and Death in the case of Male Viera, to the point it almost feels like this goes beyond "Options" in a video game.
If you get where Im coming from.

Ok, first of all, the people you're saying are a minority in a minority, there's been very few name-calling in a while, and you're using a lot of buzzwords taken out of context. We don't know the full extent of the budget, but from Yoshi's comments it's not enough for the numbers that XIV brings in. Heck, no one's thrown the sexism and homophobia cards in months (at least, not in this thread).
Second, males existed, just were never shown, and as I've said before: when we go to Golmore Jungle, we specifically go to the areas that would be in control of Eruyt, a female Village, so if the males have control over their own part of the forest (as the Ultimania says), we wouldn't see it, and we see very few Viera outside the Woods anyway.
Point being, Lore doesn't even need to change to introduce playable males (and female Ronso). They're super rare and very seldomly leave the woods, except for the exception to all Lore rules: the PC.

Re-reading your first sentence there, do we even know what World Ivalice takes place in? I mean what are the odds that Eorzea & Dalmasca probably exist in the same Universe?
We literally go to Rabanastre, and I know I read or saw in an Interview that The Ivalice Raid was a continuation of the Storyline for War of the Lions. So IDK, maybe the 2 are actually connected.

None. They're not connected. Nada. Word of Yoshi and Matsuno. The Ivalice raid is a "What if?" scenario carving a little Ivalice-shaped hole into Hydaelin. Seriously, Matsuno had to come out and say they're not the same (I've even written a few paragraphs in this very forum, in this very thread, on how they differ from one another).

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

-Fran is a resistance leader general not a sky pirate traveling with Balthier

I'll retract the idea of a shared Universe based on this 1 important fact

Ok, first of all, the people you're saying are a minority in a minority, there's been very few name-calling in a while, and you're using a lot of buzzwords taken out of context. We don't know the full extent of the budget, but from Yoshi's comments it's not enough for the numbers that XIV brings in. Heck, no one's thrown the sexism and homophobia cards in months (at least, not in this thread).
Second, males existed, just were never shown, and as I've said before: when we go to Golmore Jungle, we specifically go to the areas that would be in control of Eruyt, a female Village, so if the males have control over their own part of the forest (as the Ultimania says), we wouldn't see it, and we see very few Viera outside the Woods anyway.
Point being, Lore doesn't even need to change to introduce playable males (and female Ronso). They're super rare and very seldomly leave the woods, except for the exception to all Lore rules: the PC.

Lol, Just because these words weren't said in a while doesn't negate the fact that it happened. It should be mention that these "buzzwords" have been used in plenty of other places like Reddit and Youtube Comment sections, not just here on the Official Forums.
I never said they didn't exist, my wording may have been off, but never seeing one has been a staple since 2003 with Tactics Advance due to them hiding in the woods. Besides all that, we are literally agreeing then that Male Viera are fine....If there is a Good Written Reason for them to come out of hiding. Lore would still need to be tweaked 'slightly' to involve this reason. Because the Males barley, if ever, leave the Woods.

Im not touching Female Hrothgar, because thats not the topic, and there isn't some Decade Old Excuse that people like me are Clinging to.

[Theodric]

They might add them. They might not. It could go either way. It isn't hard to work out why people want the missing genders to be added and most people are being pretty reasonable about the situation in the present day.

I'm in agreement that it is a bit of an unhealthy obsession for some posters, though.