Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Duskane]

Do not respond to them. Ignore and move on.
Also, to anyone just stopping by, please make sure to leave a like on the OP if you'd like male viera to be added to the game. Posting is not necessary, but posts are appreciated and seem to be effective. And share a url of this thread to people who may want male viera to be added. Maybe since ShB is going to launch soon, more people will resub. Perhaps we will see more likes on the OP? idk

maybe
but more will be distracted with expansion more than the forums
besides maybe some job feed back

[Gwenorai]

But Senn, it's so hard to just ignore them. They're just so amusing! Anyway, how did we get onto the topic on the Hrothgar, bah. Will see how the ladies look if Square decides to grace us with their presence. Until then we'll be getting flavour dialogue. Though, eh... How much information will we be getting? Viera got a whole village where their way of life is lore dumped. What will Hrothgar be getting? I honestly can't imagine it being that much, Hrothgar didn't even get that much attention in the trailer... that was sad.

Wasnt that only in the english version of it? (The same that male viera are fierce protectors of the forest while JP described them more as nomads)

I'm actually really interested in seeing the full-on translations of both the Viera and Hrothgar. Does anyone have the translations?

[Duskane]

But Senn, it's so hard to just ignore them. They're just so amusing! Anyway, how did we get onto the topic on the Hrothgar, bah. Will see how the ladies look if Square decides to grace us with their presence. Until then we'll be getting flavour dialogue. Though, eh... How much information will we be getting? Viera got a whole village where their way of life is lore dumped. What will Hrothgar be getting? I honestly can't imagine it being that much, Hrothgar didn't even get that much attention in the trailer... that was sad.

just don't bother with them

this thread hops back and forth between viera and hrothgar anyway
not like they would do one without the other at this point
its both or none really

[Alleo]

I'm actually really interested in seeing the full-on translations of both the Viera and Hrothgar. Does anyone have the translations?

I went to the promotion page and here is what they say in German.

Viera:
Dieses kleine Volk, dessen Name „Bewohner des Waldes“ bedeutet, ist ursprünglich auf dem Kontinent Othard beheimatet. Lange Zeit lebten sie in einer kleinen, abgeschiedenen Gemeinschaft tief im Wald, doch in letzter Zeit sieht man immer wieder, wie sie sich in die Gegenden der anderen Völker vortrauen. Erwachsene, männliche Individuen werden nur extrem selten beobachtet. Die Viera sehen Hyuran und Elezen nicht unähnlich, zeichnen sich aber durch hoch am Schädel sitzende, lange, behaarte Ohren aus.

This small folk which name means "Dweller of the forest" lived originally on the continent Othard. For a long time they lived as a small, secluded community deep in the woods, but now you can see some coming into the territory of the other races. Adult male Viera are rarely seen. The Viera look similiar to HYuran and Elezen but have long, hairy ears on top of their head.

(Please note that this is my tranlation)

This is what they say about Viera on the english version:

Of tall stature and slender frame, the Viera's physical appearance is strikingly similar to that of the Hyur and Elezen, save for their distinctive long ears. Adhering to a strict code known as the Green Word, they are prohibited from contact with the outside world under threat of exile. Their society is purely matriarchal, and males of age are seldom, if ever, found within the bounds of any village. They instead serve as protectors of the wood from the shadows, that no evil may ever encroach on their sacred lands.


Interestingly while the german translation does say that males are rarely seen (which kinda means that someone has seen them!), here they go a bit further and talk how they are protectors of the wood from the shadows. They also explain that contact with the outside world is prohibited, while the german part says nothing about that and just talks that they are going out. I honestly see a big difference in how they are showing the race just in that. And as far as I can remember the japanese is more similiar to the german one? But would be interesting to have someone else give that translation.

Now onto the Hrothgar:

German:
Wegen ihrer scharfen Klauen und vortretenden Fangzähne wurden die aus Ilsabard stammenden Hrothgar seit jeher für ein barbarisches Volk gehalten. Ihr imposantes, raubkatzenähnliches Äußeres sorgte nicht selten für Konflikte mit anderen Völkern. Letztendlich war es die Verbreitung der gemeinsamen Sprache, die gegenseitiges Verständnis und Annäherung brachte. Die Geburt eines Mädchens ist bei ihnen ein so außergewöhnliches Ereignis, dass weibliche Hrothgar nur äußerst selten anzutreffen sind.

My translation:
Because of their sharp claws and fangs the hrothgar, who live in Ilsabard, were seen as a barbaric folk. Their imposing, big cat like form created quite the conflicts with other races. In the end it was the use of the same language that brought understanding and approach. The birth of a female is such a extraordinary event, that you rarely will see female Horthgars.

The english official info:

Hailing from the distant shores of Ilsabard, the Hrothgar are a burly people of lionlike appearance—or the males are, at least. Females number staggeringly few among their population, and thus are rarely so much as glimpsed by the other races.

The Hrothgar's imposing countenance─mitigated not at all by their sharp claws and still sharper fangs—incited panic amongst Eorzeans upon their arrival. As they were also unable to communicate, initial interactions with the commonfolk often escalated into conflict. It was not until the Hrothgar gained mastery of the common tongue that fears were allayed, and in time they would be as neighbors, welcome in all corners of the realm.

The males at least is english version only. The rest seems to be much more similiar.

[Lauront]

I don't care for inverse gender dimorphism on Viera, sorry.

I guess you have made the turn about feminine male vieira, now you want to talk about masculine female ronso to further shove your disgusting agenda in our game.

There's been some individuals who have been trying to push this several times now, in some cases as some rather ill advised "revenge" for female Au Ra being so small. Luckily, it has not gained much traction.

I think that female hrotgar should be very masculine, considering we just don't have a super masculine woman (femroe is still rather femenine, and has extreme sexual dysphormism, as cool as they look), and I'd like there to eb the least possible sexual dysphormism in both the new races, specially female hrotgar

Why should they be?

[zeylos]

I don't care for inverse gender dimorphism on Viera, sorry.



There's been some individuals who have been trying to push this several times now, in some cases as some rather ill advised "revenge" for female Au Ra being so small. Luckily, it has not gained much traction.



Why should they be?

And why shouldn't them?
Not all women have to be femenine, not all men have to be masculine, and some ppl on this thread should learn that. Male viera and female viera should have little sexual dysphormism imo,maybe slightly taller/shorter, a bit more msucles, and the big difference to be the heads and the animations, with males we don't have a femenine man, but we kinda have male miqote? With females we dont have a masucline woman, even femroes are rather femenine, and if they add a race it should be to give different things to players. We don't need another female mitqote, we already have 3 in the form of female miqote female miqote cosplaying an au ra and female miqote cosplaying a female viera with bunny nose (in some cases), ears and taller legs. Give us a buff lioness, something that there isn't on this game

Also, could ya'll please STOP with the agenda BS? Ppl wanting to play masculine woman is part of some agenda? Also, there's a majority of ppl want female hrotgar to be buff and ripped and bestial, all of which are traidtionally considered masculine, so all of them are also trying to push an agenda?
Honestly it's sad seeing just how close minded ppl are

[Gwenorai]

And why shouldn't them?
Not all women have to be femenine, not all men have to be masculine, and some ppl on this thread should learn that. Male viera and female viera should have little sexual dysphormism imo,maybe slightly taller/shorter, a bit more msucles, and the big difference to be the heads and the animations, with males we don't have a femenine man, but we kinda have male miqote? With females we dont have a masucline woman, even femroes are rather femenine, and if they add a race it should be to give different things to players. We don't need another female mitqote, we already have 3 in the form of female miqote female miqote cosplaying an au ra and female miqote cosplaying a female viera with bunny nose (in some cases), ears and taller legs. Give us a buff lioness, something that there isn't on this game

Also, could ya'll please STOP with the agenda BS? Ppl wanting to play masculine woman is part of some agenda? Also, there's a majority of ppl who want female hrotgar to be buff and ripper and bestial, all of which are traidtionally considered masculine, so all of them are also trying to push an agenda?
Honestly it's sad seeing just how close minded ppl are

Not going to lie Zeylos the more and more you post the more I think you're letting something really personal get in the way here. I would advise distancing yourself a little and not looking for these genders to be added for personal validation - especially if they don't add them in. Anyway, he's not attacking you, he's asking legit why.

Seen people who do this in the past, and it never goes well when they use something digital for validation for themselves.

[Lauront]

And why shouldn't them?
Not all women have to be femenine, not all men have to be masculine, and some ppl on this thread should learn that.

I'm asking you to make the case as to why they should. "Why shouldn't they" isn't an answer to my question and as I said before, I don't consider quota-filling to be a particularly good reason, either. The fact that some people want "X" is not a good reason in and of itself to take the artistic direction of Hrothgar females in that route, especially when Ronso already present an example of how the females look, and it's not hugely different from Roe women.

If it gets to the point where the females are just males with a female gender icon on character selection, you may as well just play a male and put the gender in the search info. Saves on design costs, too.

It's making it very hard to support male viera without being associated with this thread and the ideas being discussed in it.

It's an internet forum and not a classroom where you have to put up your hand to speak. I would suggest individuals who waver in the face of what amounts to a fairly minor and civil verbal disagreement ought to acquire sturdier exteriors.

I'd also argue that a more accurate statement is that some people are put off from participating in the thread over the disagreements, because I've yet to really see a player forego an option they'd like to see simply because some people disagree over it... I'd also consider that to be an immensely fragile standard to hold things towards. Lastly, I would venture a guess that those claiming to "withdraw" support - who actually have an intention to play the race - will do so all the same, and SE know this, thus the implicit threats about how they won't happen if some people simply disagree over the topic are a wash. Whenever I hear this line of reasoning surface I have to wonder if it's an attempt to control the terms of the discussion through an implicit "withholding" threat. I'll agree that the thread is quite cyclical but until SE release further news as to their intentions, that is inevitable, but I consider it folly to spite one's own nose simply due to the actions of others.

Just my two cents.

[Theodric]

I don't care for inverse gender dimorphism on Viera, sorry.

Agreed. I think some of the comments from passersby are a little too blunt, though I don't necessarily disagree with their core points.

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