Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Theodric]

The post in question could go either way, though is best brushed under the rug in my opinion.

[Yllania]

Well youre allowed to have that opinion but I disagree

[spf1200]

Second of all, do you think that if nobody wanted male viera this would be the most liked thread on the forums, with the most pages, and a demand so high than the devs said that if they can find a way to do so they will go out of their way and do it?

The number if posts is vastly Inflated by people posting many times a day (such as yourself) and many of those posts are people saying they don't want male bunnies. I'm willing to bet less than half of the posts in this thread are unique posters that want male buns

[Alleo]

The number if posts is vastly Inflated by people posting many times a day (such as yourself) and many of those posts are people saying they don't want male bunnies. I'm willing to bet less than half of the posts in this thread are unique posters that want male buns

Then all of us few people are also using second and third accounts to like the OP? Because you can only give one like per account thus there should be over 1.5k people on the forum alone that support this and seeing how most people even dont visit it, that is huge! Also I was reading this thread from the beginning and the majority of people that posted in it wanted male Viera (there was just a longer discussion on how they should look like which is fine) and only a very small amount was against it and even there you have mostly the same people that come in again and again to stir trouble. And please dont forget all those people that logged into the forum for their first time just to either vote against genderlocks or for Viera or Hrotgar.

You can be against it, thats fine. But dont try to take down this thread as just whining of a small minority when the likes alone is showing a very different picture.

Also I must say I would not mind if head gear or gear under lvl 50 and that isn't glamour isn't visible (maybe make all the trash gear sets look like racial armor?)

Not only that but they could go and say that only certain glamour will be seen. Maybe all the high lvl stuff and maybe all the real lvl 1 glamour. Everything in between or even the whole low level stuff could be either pushed back or never done. At the same time they are kinda at fault for this bloat too. I was just recently doing some of the new flower headgear and wondered to myself: Why do we need 9 different versions of the same flower in different colors instead of just having one with the ability to change color...I mean if you have 10 different flowers that means we already have 90 unique items..instead of just 10.

In the end if the next expansion is not better than Stormblood in content (especially for the casuals) and there is no sign of the new races coming in 6.0 it will be my last one. I wont wait up to four years or more for the missing gender if the game itself is not getting better for me.

[Veis_Alveare]

Then all of us few people are also using second and third accounts to like the OP? Because you can only give one like per account thus there should be over 1.5k people on the forum alone that support this and seeing how most people even dont visit it, that is huge! Also I was reading this thread from the beginning and the majority of people that posted in it wanted male Viera (there was just a longer discussion on how they should look like which is fine) and only a very small amount was against it and even there you have mostly the same people that come in again and again to stir trouble. And please dont forget all those people that logged into the forum for their first time just to either vote against genderlocks or for Viera or Hrotgar.

You can be against it, thats fine. But dont try to take down this thread as just whining of a small minority when the likes alone is showing a very different picture.

This relies on the idea that every like equals a unique post in this thread.

There are currently 1676 likes on the op and 4983 posts. For there to be better than 50% unique male Viera posts in this thread that would require 2,491 posts in favor of male Viera in this thread... that is incredibly clearly not what happened. I know personally I have at least 20 posts here against male Viera and another 20 or more tentatively in favor or just unopposed.

The person you quoted is entirely correct - there is no way half of the posts here are unique posts from individual supporters of male Viera, the math just doesn't check out.

I'm all for supporting male Viera but I think we need to be honest in doing so.

[Alleo]

This relies on the idea that every like equals a unique post in this thread.

There are currently 1676 likes on the op and 4983 posts. For there to be better than 50% unique male Viera posts in this thread that would require 2,491 posts in favor of male Viera in this thread... that is incredibly clearly not what happened. I know personally I have at least 20 posts here against male Viera and another 20 or more tentatively in favor or just unopposed.

The person you quoted is entirely correct - there is no way half of the posts here are unique posts from individual supporters of male Viera, the math just doesn't check out.

I'm all for supporting male Viera but I think we need to be honest in doing so.

My point was that you still have more than just a couple of people in this posting and there are even some that are completely new to the forum, only logging in to give their support. And then you have a very few people that are completely against it. But to show the true support of a thread one should not just look at the amount of posts but at the amount of likes and that is huge. Of course there is a difference in the amount of posts to the amount of likes but it still shows the interest and the likes show the 99.9% unique amount of people in support for this. So going around and saying that this is inflated (the person she answered was counting the likes too not only the pages) and does not show the amount of support is false.

People doing strange things like posting 4 times back-to-back is why this thread is so long.

From what I can tell MANY of the post here are from a select few posters either echoing to themselves or fighting.

And because of posts that write only about how many posts are useless thus kinda taking away from the topic too and increasing the amounts of posts at the same time. (But at least it keeps it active on the front page. )

Most of the 'likes' occurred during a period of outrage. The number hasn't increased significantly since that outrage died down. It's a popular thread, sure, but at this point there's the occassional new poster showing up with the majority of activity coming from the same select few posters - myself included - posting their support. Often to the point where they leap at the chance to post once again as soon as someday else lays down a fresh post.

That is still the most liked topic of the forum for all the years..yes there will always be a time where people voted the most (which is when its revealed) but the amount itself is already big. No amount rage ever got that much attention on the forum. Be it Eureka, Diadem, Blue mage and its restricted jobs and more. Yet somehow this does not show the demand? Is there even one other thread that has ever had more new people constantly coming in to talk about it? I honestly dont remember it. But I do remember that some of the more talked about topics often involves the same posters, which is kinda normal for a forum. (Look at the bunny suit thread, or the ones that want more male glamours. Most often even if someone else starts a new thread about it, a lot of the usual posters will answer it)

And in a way answering any fresh post even if its still only the same people at least shows that they are dedicated to it. And its kinda the point of a discussion forum too.

[van_arn]

The number if posts is vastly Inflated by people posting many times a day (such as yourself) and many of those posts are people saying they don't want male bunnies. I'm willing to bet less than half of the posts in this thread are unique posters that want male buns

Or perhaps this would be the next bunny outfit saga, where the forums lead a self righteous crusade for something to be added... And it turns out to be a comparative waste of time for how underutilized it is.

As things stand, I can see a lot of Catboys changing over to Bunboys, but merely changing between adjacent options is nowhere near as interesting as new options.

That's not to say hrothgar are completely new, but the big bodies and beastly face combination hasn't been a player option until now, and even if few pick up the race there's more value in having them occasionally pop up than just a bunch of cat ears suddenly being replaced with bunny ears.

[Lauront]

It's not going to convince people who don't like the big bodies to play the race, so it could just end up that that scenario manifests with Hrothgar, i.e. you get Roes changing into Hrothgar and not much else. Humanoid face just suddenly replaced with a beast face. We shall see following a few months into 5.0. As for Viera, whether the design is popular or not is entirely in SE's hands and how well they implement it...

By the by, how does that argument not apply to female Viera?

The number if posts is vastly Inflated by people posting many times a day (such as yourself) and many of those posts are people saying they don't want male bunnies. I'm willing to bet less than half of the posts in this thread are unique posters that want male buns

Yeah, unfortunately the whole "nobody wants them" is one of those claims just pulled out of places where the sun don't shine. There's no real evidence of it as things stand. So whilst this thread's posts are inflated due to frequent posting (much like any topic on here and yet they don't reach similar page counts), it also has a much higher number of likes on it than any other thread. There is no end to the spurious arguments trotted out on a daily basis by some quarters against an option they don't like 'cuz muh reasons.

[spf1200]

It's not going to convince people who don't like the big bodies to play the race, so it could just end up that that scenario manifests with Hrothgar, i.e. you get Roes changing into Hrothgar and not much else. Humanoid face just suddenly replaced with a beast face. We shall see following a few months into 5.0. As for Viera, whether the design is popular or not is entirely in SE's hands and how well they implement it...

By the by, how does that argument not apply to female Viera?



Yeah, unfortunately the whole "nobody wants them" is one of those claims just pulled out of places where the sun don't shine. There's no real evidence of it as things stand. So whilst this thread's posts are inflated due to frequent posting (much like any topic on here and yet they don't reach similar page counts), it also has a much higher number of likes on it than any other thread. There is no end to the spurious arguments trotted out on a daily basis by some quarters against an option they don't like 'cuz muh reasons.

Think you may have taken my post a little too personally. There are clearly a lot of people that want this. I am just saying that thread size isn't a clear indication of how many people. I never said nobody wants them and am not sure where that can from you may want to take a break from the forums as you seem to be rather agitated and it seems to be making you see things that aren't there.

[Lauront]

I don't recall attributing the claim to you. Perhaps you're the one seeing things that aren't there (it was a comment in the post you were quoting.)

As for your suggestion, whilst I am sure it comes out of a place of genuine concern... nah. Not happening.