Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[jake200135]

From what I can see, those asking for Male Viera are wanting the same exact thing (save for a certain minority). For many, I can tell they feel that Miqo'te men are too short, yet Elezen and Au'ra are too tall, while Hyurs lack the "fantasy" feel with the animal features, as stated before. Likewise, it's worth mentioning that those wanting Female Hrothgar could be unsatisfied with Femroes for the same "animal" reason. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting bunny ears or whatever other animal feature- It's a fantasy game, after all.

This! Pretty much this. I'm Hyur for now, but M Miqote, M AuRa, M Elezen, and literally none of the other male races fulfill what I'm looking for in a player character. Hyur Midlander is the closest I can manage to get to what I'm looking for, but even he doesn't quite get there. All I want is something just as graceful and elegant as the F Viera, while still looking mature and masculine while not coming across as really goofy looking with really bad animations. I really feel like that's not asking for much. The dev team does have talent so I know its something they're capable of doing, they just need a bigger budget and more personnel for their team.

Yoshi may have said that more money or people wouldn't fix this, but I honestly don't think that's true. More money and people is exactly what this game needs, its just the higher ups in Square Enix that's refusing to give it to them. The dev team deserves better for sure. :/

[Emmanellain]

This! Pretty much this. I'm Hyur for now, but M Miqote, M AuRa, M Elezen, and literally none of the other male races fulfill what I'm looking for in a player character. Hyur Midlander is the closest I can manage to get to what I'm looking for, but even he doesn't quite get there. All I want is something just as graceful and elegant as the F Viera, while still looking mature and masculine while not coming across as really goofy looking with really bad animations. I really feel like that's not asking for much.

Same here, the existing male races don't have that graceful and traditionally elegant/handsome look, there's a distinct lack of it in our current roster of males. When you see the female Viera it's clear they look like female top models with bunny features, it's not unsurprising people expected male Viera to be in the same camp and then got rather disappointed when they got what can only be described as the polar opposite.

I like the Hrothgar and the idea behind their design, but I feel that having the female Viera and Male Hrothgar stand alone is sad, it's like having two pairs of socks that look great, but you can only pick between warming one foot at a time.
I really hope they consider working the other two races into their work schedule in the future, but I won't put my hopes up.

[zeylos]

I'm sure SE would love to risk the loss of numbers and money based on your personal feelings on the matter. I'm sure they don't have or hire people to do the math and study the trends. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that they try to slow down the speed at which you can grind gear in a game that lives on a monthly sub.

And I find it soooo strange that you think "Just cut [insert Content I don't personally like] and that would free up resources for Viera Males!". Like ... do you think the people working on BLU are stopping the creation of a new race? How much overlap do you thing there is between people who work on player characters and the people who coded and designed the systems and inner workings of Eureka well reusing mobs from other parts of the game to fill the zones?

A race is the single most taxing, expensive cosmetic thing they can add. Because now not only do you have to redo everything that's been done for ever race IN the game but also have everything that CAN be done with a player character become even harder to do. Those dances and emotes the put on the Mogstation now cost more to make. Glam now cost more to make. Job skills now take longer to animate. What about other things these character modelers, designers and animators work on? Dngs can bring about new and exciting encounters using new rigs and models so it's safe to say they need these people to. That's sure to become harder.
This is why most MMOs with good character design don't make it a habit to add more character models that players can use.

"Hire more people" even if that's a path they could go (Yoshi seems to say that's not a solution) you're asking them to forever increase the number of people they pay for and screw with their system of churning out content for no reason or pay off.

It actually sickens me that people would want all players to suffer for them to have the option to be some race/ gender combo that most people don't care about.

This line of reasoning does not spark support in people and is very disappointing to read, I question the judgement of those who run on such a platform.

Ok so if it sickens you, you can then just leave this thread. We have all been very disrespectful yet you come here and treat everyone with disrespect and then you go and tell everyone that this thread is composed of 10< people who only whine and cry. I'd u don't want gender lock removal, then ok, you do you, but there is no need to be as disrespectful as you have been most of the time to me and other ppl on this thread. I will not be awnsering to you any longer and k think it's a shame since we could have had a very interesting conversation, but I do not want to have a conversation with someone who spends most of their time insulting me based on what I want for the game

[Lauront]

I don’t bother with Reivaxe because even some brick walls make more of an effort to engage the arguments put forward in good faith. The poster wilfully ignores eg mention of evaluating stuff on a cost/benefit basis and acts as if all content is on par and that we’re asking for popular content to be stripped - nope.

BLU is probably the most egregious example of wasted resources so far but I’ve been advocating a rationalisation of content ever since they said they’d have to sacrifice eg some gear output for the high res textures. Content which sees minimal use is by definition content most people are not concerned about. Where there these act as resource hogs, the game would be well served by re evaluating their necessity. A well designed new race will easily beat out poorly designed garbage like BLU. A race may take considerable effort but also have the uptake and durability to actually justify it - same with graphics updates more generally.

All I see from reivaxe is comments like ‘I’m sure that’ etc. Fine, then why is some content so bad that even the devs acknowledge it and simply drop it? They’ve been experimenting more, which is fine, except that SE does not reinvest enough at present for this to not cause more popular forms of content to suffer.

We’ll nonetheless hear the same silly nonsense from this person who refuses to engage any arguments here in good faith, that we want all players to suffer, when it’s exactly the opposite that we’re arguing. So please spare me the faux indignation.

[Lauront]

Also going to repeat this point: it is irrelevant whether most players care about a race/gender pick. On the margin what matters is whether it will generate enough spending (eg via new or retained subs, mogstation spending etc) to make the cost worthwhile. As long as the race is well designed, it should pass this test.

This applies to all content they add, and is what I mean by a cost-benefit analysis. With good business intelligence it should be easy to generate this figure. Prejudging male Viera to be less popular than a pick with a build similar to the least popular race gender combo in this game is spurious logic. Even if the plan is to design them after elezen, look at how different female Viera are to their elezen counterparts as it is. I expect male Hrothgar will do better than male Roes but suggesting they’d do better than male Viera is simply poorly reasoned guesswork.

[van_arn]

Also going to repeat this point: it is irrelevant whether most players care about a race/gender pick. On the margin what matters is whether it will generate enough spending (eg via new or retained subs, mogstation spending etc) to make the cost worthwhile. As long as the race is well designed, it should pass this test.

This applies to all content they add, and is what I mean by a cost-benefit analysis. With good business intelligence it should be easy to generate this figure. Prejudging male Viera to be less popular than a pick with a build similar to the least popular race gender combo in this game is spurious logic. Even if the plan is to design them after elezen, look at how different female Viera are to their elezen counterparts as it is. I expect male Hrothgar will do better than male Roes but suggesting they’d do better than male Viera is simply poorly reasoned guesswork.

Hrothgar will do better than male viera, since male viera don't exist.

A win by default, the best win!

[jake200135]

Hrothgar will do better than male viera, since male viera don't exist.

A win by default, the best win!

I dunno, a win that makes you fight for it is way more satisfying. Thas jus me tho.

[zeylos]

Also going to repeat this point: it is irrelevant whether most players care about a race/gender pick. On the margin what matters is whether it will generate enough spending (eg via new or retained subs, mogstation spending etc) to make the cost worthwhile. As long as the race is well designed, it should pass this test.

This applies to all content they add, and is what I mean by a cost-benefit analysis. With good business intelligence it should be easy to generate this figure. Prejudging male Viera to be less popular than a pick with a build similar to the least popular race gender combo in this game is spurious logic. Even if the plan is to design them after elezen, look at how different female Viera are to their elezen counterparts as it is. I expect male Hrothgar will do better than male Roes but suggesting they’d do better than male Viera is simply poorly reasoned guesswork.

I think it's quite obvious male Viera would have been way more popoular than furry does, regardless of how good the furry does look, simply due to the fact that most ppl wants to play a super model. Also female hrotgar, if done right, could be more popular than her male counterapart

[Lauront]

For now...

[zeylos]

Also going to repeat this point: it is irrelevant whether most players care about a race/gender pick. On the margin what matters is whether it will generate enough spending (eg via new or retained subs, mogstation spending etc) to make the cost worthwhile. As long as the race is well designed, it should pass this test.

This applies to all content they add, and is what I mean by a cost-benefit analysis. With good business intelligence it should be easy to generate this figure. Prejudging male Viera to be less popular than a pick with a build similar to the least popular race gender combo in this game is spurious logic. Even if the plan is to design them after elezen, look at how different female Viera are to their elezen counterparts as it is. I expect male Hrothgar will do better than male Roes but suggesting they’d do better than male Viera is simply poorly reasoned guesswork.

I think it's quite obvious male Viera would have been way more popoular than furry does, regardless of how good the furry does look, simply due to the fact that most ppl wants to play a super model. Also female hrotgar, if done right, could be more popular than her male counterapart