Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Awha]

Did SE officially ever state "lore" was a factor? I could have sworn they reason they went with the current setup was because this may be the last additional playable race, and they wanted to offer those who wanted to play a more beastly looking character an option.

I though lore was the headcanon used by people. If we do not get a male and female option for the existing new added playable character it will come down to a financial choice. May not like it, but that will be the sole factor that will dictate us getting them added. Logic, story elements, fan desire probably will have next to zero impact on the choice.

[wereotter]

Did SE officially ever state "lore" was a factor? I could have sworn they reason they went with the current setup was because this may be the last additional playable race, and they wanted to offer those who wanted to play a more beastly looking character an option.

I though lore was the headcanon used by people. If we do not get a male and female option for the existing new added playable character it will come down to a financial choice. May not like it, but that will be the sole factor that will dictate us getting them added. Logic, story elements, fan desire probably will have next to zero impact on the choice.

When Hrothgar were announced, Yoshida used lore as the reason that Viera men weren't added. However later he seemed to have backpedaled on this stating that he knew they wouldn't be able to add any further races to the game given the workload every newly introduced gearset adds the more models you have to set it to. So they decided to add the often requested Viera while also adding the Hrothgar to meet the requests of those wanting a more beastial race, and that resources simply weren't there to do two full races.

It's also worth noting that while they anticipated backlash for only making one sex for each of the races would not be well received, they didn't expect as much of a backlash regarding it as they got, especially from Western players, and Yoshida did give the impression that if they can get the resources to do so, they would consider making the additional sexes for both of the races to meet the requests of players in the West.

[Alacran]

The whole argument based around lore has always been & ever will be weak.

Fantasia can alter our characters very genetic structure, not to mention how no one ever makes comment to the player character race. By and far character race should never be limited by the constraints of lore, simply because it hasn't been since the beginning.

Elezen were given no better treatment in Heavensward over any Aura, Highlanders didn't get anything from Stormblood (hell were were more or less forgotten in favor of Doma & Othard...). As many have said, Miqo'te already prove how little lore is valued in regards to the player characters race, being a carbon copy of the excuse used by both for their exclusion in the world proper. Citing lore now as justification for Male Viera exclusion is just lazy & just as shallow.

[Veis_Alveare]

The whole argument based around lore has always been & ever will be weak.

Fantasia can alter our characters very genetic structure, not to mention how no one ever makes comment to the player character race. By and far character race should never be limited by the constraints of lore, simply because it hasn't been since the beginning.

Elezen were given no better treatment in Heavensward over any Aura, Highlanders didn't get anything from Stormblood (hell were were more or less forgotten in favor of Doma & Othard...). As many have said, Miqo'te already prove how little lore is valued in regards to the player characters race, being a carbon copy of the excuse used by both for their exclusion in the world proper. Citing lore now as justification for Male Viera exclusion is just lazy & just as shallow.

Except that none of the other races mentioned have an established lore outside of XIV where as Viera do, and in some way the worlds of XIV and Ivalice have a link. It isn't direct, and I'm not saying it necessarily entirely excludes the potential for the existence of male Viera all on it's own, but to compare the lore around miqo and Viera as equivalent is clearly not a valid direct comparison in any way.

[Nestama]

Except that none of the other races mentioned have an established lore outside of XIV where as Viera do, and in some way the worlds of XIV and Ivalice have a link. It isn't direct, and I'm not saying it necessarily entirely excludes the potential for the existence of male Viera all on it's own, but to compare the lore around miqo and Viera as equivalent is clearly not a valid direct comparison in any way.

There's an NPC in the game who says male Viera exist, though (an NPC who is totally not the in-game version of Yasumi Matsuno)... also the Ivalice in XIV and Ivalice in XII and Tactics are two completely different Ivalices. They are not linked.


Found back on page 86, courtesy of Alacran.
Before I was against the addition of Viera at all, but since I got Hrothgar (and love them btw. They're so adorable and expressive), I'm all for the addition of the missing genders of both races. The sudden appearance of female Hrothgar and male Viera will make as much sense as the sudden appearance of male Hrothgar, Au Ra and female Viera dancing around Limsa currently.

[Theodric]

Fantasia isn't considered to be a canon thing within the setting, according to one of the older lore Q&A sessions.

[Alacran]

Fantasia isn't considered to be a canon thing within the setting, according to one of the older lore Q&A sessions.

Neither is the player characters race or gender.

Hence my statement remains factual & unchanging.

Should you get your wish of a Garlean player race, the history of your character is still the same as any others. With no mention of your race or gender or change of said status. What you are now is what you have always been.

I speak to that outside influence our characters exist in. Race had no meaning, gender has no meaning, changing of these things has no meaning, playing as any race had no meaning, a Male Viera being playable should not be an issue either.

Using lore as shield to protect that stance is disingenuous at best, hypocritical at worst, unless you believe in never once using a fantasia in the past or future.

As for dev Q&A, it was explained as not mattering as i said above. The whole thing is magic. You were always who you are at the present.

[Taybat]

someone twitter had a great idea. Give male viera the addition of antlers as well as ears. So they would be like Jackelopes.

[AngelicSnake]

I’d love it if they maybe had shorter ears with longer antlers too. Honestly I don’t care as long as male Viera are added but antlers would be awesome

[WhiteArchmage]

I'm really torn because antlers would be awesome but feels like it'd be a nightmare and the design team would just throw the towel, male Viera would either never have headgear or just clip through everything.

...I'd be fine if their racial gear had optional antlers, though...