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    Quote Originally Posted by jake200135 View Post
    Edit 1: To expand on this, the female Viera live comfortable lives within their villages in the forest. The male Viera live lives of hardship trying to survive in the wilderness. Most people when they live a hard life tend to try their utmost to somehow transfer themselves into a more enjoyable and comfortable state of living. Following this train of thought, the male Viera survive on their own near the forest borders to protect the forest. Yes, some of the males may feel honor bound to stay put and protect, but you can be damn sure there are some who are more likely to seek a better life else where and never bother returning. So it really makes no sense to exclude male Viera for lore reasons.
    This doesn't sound sensible in universe. Male Viera, more so than female Viera, view the outside world as a threat to the wood. Their specific duty is to protect the wood from the outside world, and they're effectively elite assassins who do nothing but that. I cannot see a male viewing the world outside the wood to be better or of more value than the life they lead inside the wood. And while you're very correct in that females live comfortable lives within the wood, that is the very reason why they wind up leaving the wood: To go on living lives rich with adventure. While their lives are comfortable, they tend to be lacking in fulfillment. Curiosity eventually gets the better of them and when it does they're typically found in dangerous or highly skillful occupations outside the wood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NearEDGE View Post
    This doesn't sound sensible in universe. Male Viera, more so than female Viera, view the outside world as a threat to the wood. Their specific duty is to protect the wood from the outside world, and they're effectively elite assassins who do nothing but that. I cannot see a male viewing the world outside the wood to be better or of more value than the life they lead inside the wood. And while you're very correct in that females live comfortable lives within the wood, that is the very reason why they wind up leaving the wood: To go on living lives rich with adventure. While their lives are comfortable, they tend to be lacking in fulfillment. Curiosity eventually gets the better of them and when it does they're typically found in dangerous or highly skillful occupations outside the wood.
    But the thing is, no one, not even you, can say that ALL of male Viera view the world that way. Its just as likely that a male Viera would view the world with curiosity and want to explore it just as much as a female Viera would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NearEDGE View Post
    This doesn't sound sensible in universe. Male Viera, more so than female Viera, view the outside world as a threat to the wood. Their specific duty is to protect the wood from the outside world, and they're effectively elite assassins who do nothing but that. I cannot see a male viewing the world outside the wood to be better or of more value than the life they lead inside the wood. And while you're very correct in that females live comfortable lives within the wood, that is the very reason why they wind up leaving the wood: To go on living lives rich with adventure. While their lives are comfortable, they tend to be lacking in fulfillment. Curiosity eventually gets the better of them and when it does they're typically found in dangerous or highly skillful occupations outside the wood.
    Male viera aren't a hive mind. It isn't impossible for a few of them to want to leave any more so than it is for female viera to decide to leave. Just making it so there were 0 viera npcs would do enough to maintain their mystery from a lore perspective. Letting the WoL be a viera who left the wood wouldn't be an unthinkable lore violation. I mean, no more so than an Au Ra WoL somehow making it to eorzea before even Yugiri did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lacan View Post
    Male viera aren't a hive mind. It isn't impossible for a few of them to want to leave any more so than it is for female viera to decide to leave. Just making it so there were 0 viera npcs would do enough to maintain their mystery from a lore perspective. Letting the WoL be a viera who left the wood wouldn't be an unthinkable lore violation. I mean, no more so than an Au Ra WoL somehow making it to eorzea before even Yugiri did.
    Exactly. Viera, male or female, are NOT a hive mind. It literally makes no sense to assume they all think, feel, or act in exactly the same way. Its illogical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jake200135 View Post
    Exactly. Viera, male or female, are NOT a hive mind. It literally makes no sense to assume they all think, feel, or act in exactly the same way. Its illogical.
    And even a race WITH a literal hive mind - The Vath - had a group break away and form their own independent thought and destiny. So... Yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NearEDGE View Post
    This doesn't sound sensible in universe. Male Viera, more so than female Viera, view the outside world as a threat to the wood. Their specific duty is to protect the wood from the outside world, and they're effectively elite assassins who do nothing but that.
    But that particular male would be special because he would be the Warrior of Light. He'd receive visions from the Echo and the Mothercrystal and have his view expanded whether he likes it or not. We've seen flashbacks from items, environments, and even enemies we've faced. Plus, he'd be exposed to the imminent danger posed by the encroaching Darkness (as presented at the beginning of 2.0). The only way to defend the wood would be to leave it and strike at the source of the threat - or at least find it, at which point they'd reach Eorzea in their travels and the story will unfold as we know it.

    Curiosity eventually gets the better of them
    Saying no male whatsoever will ever experience that is hive-minding them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NearEDGE View Post
    This doesn't sound sensible in universe. Male Viera, more so than female Viera, view the outside world as a threat to the wood. Their specific duty is to protect the wood from the outside world, and they're effectively elite assassins who do nothing but that. I cannot see a male viewing the world outside the wood to be better or of more value than the life they lead inside the wood. And while you're very correct in that females live comfortable lives within the wood, that is the very reason why they wind up leaving the wood: To go on living lives rich with adventure. While their lives are comfortable, they tend to be lacking in fulfillment. Curiosity eventually gets the better of them and when it does they're typically found in dangerous or highly skillful occupations outside the wood.
    You don't think even one male Viera would end up with the same curiosity? No offense intended, but it's a little goofy to think male Viera are all rank and file and not even one of them will question the way things are and leave. Most especially considering they spend their childhood years alongside female Viera before they're whisked away, meaning they enjoy some modicum of comfort before they begin life as a Wood Warder and are forced into survival mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbs View Post
    You don't think even one male Viera would end up with the same curiosity? No offense intended, but it's a little goofy to think male Viera are all rank and file and not even one of them will question the way things are and leave. Most especially considering they spend their childhood years alongside female Viera before they're whisked away, meaning they enjoy some modicum of comfort before they begin life as a Wood Warder and are forced into survival mode.
    YES! This too! Most male Viera didn't get a choice about their life. Its not a stretch of reason to assume some want out of their situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NearEDGE View Post
    This doesn't sound sensible in universe. Male Viera, more so than female Viera, view the outside world as a threat to the wood. Their specific duty is to protect the wood from the outside world, and they're effectively elite assassins who do nothing but that. I cannot see a male viewing the world outside the wood to be better or of more value than the life they lead inside the wood. And while you're very correct in that females live comfortable lives within the wood, that is the very reason why they wind up leaving the wood: To go on living lives rich with adventure. While their lives are comfortable, they tend to be lacking in fulfillment. Curiosity eventually gets the better of them and when it does they're typically found in dangerous or highly skillful occupations outside the wood.
    Do not question lore, consume product and be excited for next product to consume.
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