DANCER IS A DPS?

[Metsonm]

Am I really the only one who's glad we aren't getting a new healer before the existing ones are properly balanced oO
Healer balance has been a hot mess for quite some time now; let them sort that out first, before you go demand the balance to be even more broken than it already is.

No, they absolutely should balance the existing healers before adding more. In fact, that's what they said they were doing.

FOR STORMBLOOD!

The frustration comes from the fact we've already gone through an expansion of "No, we're going to focus on fixing what we currently have before adding more" and two years on we're seemingly no closer to that goal and are now being told "So remember when we said we were going to balance it in StB, haha, funny story, we're actually going to do that in ShB. Thanks for your patience. Please look forward to it!"

[Risvertasashi]

Am I really the only one who's glad we aren't getting a new healer before the existing ones are properly balanced oO
Healer balance has been a hot mess for quite some time now; let them sort that out first, before you go demand the balance to be even more broken than it already is.

If you wait for the existing healers to be balanced before adding new ones, we'll never get a new healer.

[Ahrijlaken]

Am I really the only one who's glad we aren't getting a new healer before the existing ones are properly balanced oO

Why people talk so much about healer balance.

SCH is fine, AST is fine and WHM is the most boring and poor healer in all univers so we don't care about it. You see it's perfect.

[Yuyuka3]

Why people talk so much about healer balance.

SCH is fine, AST is fine and WHM is the most boring and poor healer in all univers so we don't care about it. You see it's perfect.

And you needed to be an asshole about this why, exactly?

[Greywolfamakir]

They can release 2 jobs every Expansion...if they'd release a new one Healer, 6 years with MCH/BRD, if they'd release a new one Ranged-DPS, 6 years of SCH/WHM/AST...they have choosen Ranged-DPS so...its not about "hoooo SE hate Healers" or stupid things like "Healer is the hardest job..." who cares about "hard" or "Easy"? it makes no sense.

[Lyth]

There's a bit more of a difference between categories like "Tank" and "Healer" than there is between "Ranged DPS" and "Caster DPS". DF doesn't care one whit what flavour of DPS you are. In DF, there are two tank slots, two healer slots, and four slots for people wanting to get carried.

The only reason why 'Ranged' seems to have split off into its own category is because SE seems determined to unravel the mystery of why BRD is a mandatory pick in most raid groups. There isn't a "support" slot. There's a BRD slot. That's not a role description, it's a power balance issue.

I don't think the issue is about what kind of job Dancer is, though. The problem is that gameplay on healers could do with a bit more variety. Granted, if WHM gets a substantial enough rework to differentiate it from AST, that might be what we need. But looking from the responses, it seems like "Ranged" players don't seem overly enthused by Dancer, and Healers seem to be the ones craving a bit of diversity at the moment. It comes down to misreading (or simply not listening to) your playerbase.

[Huntrss]

Sad part is We kind of got 3 New Jobs (Gunbreaker, Dancer and Blue Mage) that's 1 Tank, 1 Ranged DPS and Well a Caster DPS that's Limited.

[Mortex]

I’m more sad the mad. The fact that you have 3 dps jobs in a row from last to next expansion and no healer balancing since ages, there is enough feedback to look into and change the job isn’t rocket science just takes some time to test and for most healers it is t about being op. Healers need to feel fun again. Whm feels like a stone or a blm with way less mobility and fun. Every raid fight has some hard heal Check to piss you off too white hole, heartless archangel,hello world like not even clever mechanics just be at 100 % hp or wipe. For me it feels like they have something personal against healer. Healer have the most hardest job in a raid static and instead of giving them something new and exciting you make a new range dps, when mch feels like crap too. They should start fixing the jobs before and not ages later. Didn’t took them ages to make war good and sch but whm can rot. Well maybe I don’t heal anything next tier and go tank again. Will be fun to see how many static’s are looking for healer when they Form when there is no excitement playing that role anymore.

[Mortex]

There is a simple answer here. Mch plays and feels like shit. The job is always the same timing expect if the boss goes immune or transition. You always play the same timings and with the 50 % rng that you have the chance to hit the same button over and over until it lucky procs except in your wildfire phase. And brd scales with the best star atm I game the most, I mean whoever thought crit scaling with crit as main stat whas a good idea should to penance for that idea.

[Lozza]

There's a bit more of a difference between categories like "Tank" and "Healer" than there is between "Ranged DPS" and "Caster DPS". DF doesn't care one whit what flavour of DPS you are. In DF, there are two tank slots, two healer slots, and four slots for people wanting to get carried.

The only reason why 'Ranged' seems to have split off into its own category is because SE seems determined to unravel the mystery of why BRD is a mandatory pick in most raid groups. There isn't a "support" slot. There's a BRD slot. That's not a role description, it's a power balance issue.

I don't think the issue is about what kind of job Dancer is, though. The problem is that gameplay on healers could do with a bit more variety. Granted, if WHM gets a substantial enough rework to differentiate it from AST, that might be what we need. But looking from the responses, it seems like "Ranged" players don't seem overly enthused by Dancer, and Healers seem to be the ones craving a bit of diversity at the moment. It comes down to misreading (or simply not listening to) your playerbase.

This issue has be bought up a few times now. What SE seems to see is very different from what players in general seem to see.

While SE draws arbitary lines between different ranged dps players are going to demand some form of balance in numbers. A number of other MMOs I've played have a dedicated or semi-dedicated support slot. The problem is as far as can be discerned from interviews SE see ranged physical dps as support dps, which is weird given that one of those jobs has a tonne of support skills (BRD) and the other only has support skills because it shares a few useful role skills with BRD.

Either way as I've pointed out tanks have had many more balance issues this expac than healers have. So wanting to balance healers before adding a 4th seems a ridiculous statement, along with the statement of wanting to make WHM easier.

For those who think that some sort of healer change will make up for not having had a new healer job in SB or SHB, the idea that they are going to completely redesign the healers seems a bit far fetched. They are redoing the combat system so that all jobs will be changed. Healers won't be receiving any special treatment except maybe, hopefully, changing WHM silly lily mechanic and secret of the lily traits.