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    Player
    Hustensaft's Avatar
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    Gyokuro Sencha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Take a look at WoW and it's 6 different types of healers. If you're netcode wasn't S#!T and could actually handle channel based heals you might be able to have a different heal style.

    Rift has a Chloromancer that heals the group by doing damage.

    SWTOR had a medic that shot people to heal them.


    Where's the creativity?
    There's no need for creativity. FFXIVs heal design is dreadful, and that's because the encounter design is generally poor for healing.

    Healers spend anywhere from 10-25% of a fight actually healing. But even that number is if you account for any oGCD ability as a full GCD ability.
    The vast majority of outgoing healing is done by the oGCD-mp-free st and aoe heals, and hideous things like Deployment Tactics.

    Unless some serious changes happen to encounter design and how damage hits the party, nothing will change about that. And if nothing changes about that, you essentially don't need a 3rd heal that heals with his 2-3 abilities, uses whatever group support he has, and then spams whatever his DPS filler is. The reality is that even if there was any creativity, it'd be wasted until the core healing gameplay changes.
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    Ea Sin
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    You know what would add insult to injury? If our queue times went up because of the new npc feature.
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    Am I really the only one who's glad we aren't getting a new healer before the existing ones are properly balanced oO
    Healer balance has been a hot mess for quite some time now; let them sort that out first, before you go demand the balance to be even more broken than it already is.
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    Met Rhukon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuyuka3 View Post
    Am I really the only one who's glad we aren't getting a new healer before the existing ones are properly balanced oO
    Healer balance has been a hot mess for quite some time now; let them sort that out first, before you go demand the balance to be even more broken than it already is.
    No, they absolutely should balance the existing healers before adding more. In fact, that's what they said they were doing.

    FOR STORMBLOOD!

    The frustration comes from the fact we've already gone through an expansion of "No, we're going to focus on fixing what we currently have before adding more" and two years on we're seemingly no closer to that goal and are now being told "So remember when we said we were going to balance it in StB, haha, funny story, we're actually going to do that in ShB. Thanks for your patience. Please look forward to it!"
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuyuka3 View Post
    Am I really the only one who's glad we aren't getting a new healer before the existing ones are properly balanced oO
    Healer balance has been a hot mess for quite some time now; let them sort that out first, before you go demand the balance to be even more broken than it already is.
    If you wait for the existing healers to be balanced before adding new ones, we'll never get a new healer.
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    Ahri Eija
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    Am I really the only one who's glad we aren't getting a new healer before the existing ones are properly balanced oO
    Why people talk so much about healer balance.

    SCH is fine, AST is fine and WHM is the most boring and poor healer in all univers so we don't care about it. You see it's perfect.
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    Player Yuyuka3's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahrijlaken View Post
    Why people talk so much about healer balance.

    SCH is fine, AST is fine and WHM is the most boring and poor healer in all univers so we don't care about it. You see it's perfect.
    And you needed to be an asshole about this why, exactly?
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    They can release 2 jobs every Expansion...if they'd release a new one Healer, 6 years with MCH/BRD, if they'd release a new one Ranged-DPS, 6 years of SCH/WHM/AST...they have choosen Ranged-DPS so...its not about "hoooo SE hate Healers" or stupid things like "Healer is the hardest job..." who cares about "hard" or "Easy"? it makes no sense.
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    There's a bit more of a difference between categories like "Tank" and "Healer" than there is between "Ranged DPS" and "Caster DPS". DF doesn't care one whit what flavour of DPS you are. In DF, there are two tank slots, two healer slots, and four slots for people wanting to get carried.

    The only reason why 'Ranged' seems to have split off into its own category is because SE seems determined to unravel the mystery of why BRD is a mandatory pick in most raid groups. There isn't a "support" slot. There's a BRD slot. That's not a role description, it's a power balance issue.

    I don't think the issue is about what kind of job Dancer is, though. The problem is that gameplay on healers could do with a bit more variety. Granted, if WHM gets a substantial enough rework to differentiate it from AST, that might be what we need. But looking from the responses, it seems like "Ranged" players don't seem overly enthused by Dancer, and Healers seem to be the ones craving a bit of diversity at the moment. It comes down to misreading (or simply not listening to) your playerbase.
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    There is a simple answer here. Mch plays and feels like shit. The job is always the same timing expect if the boss goes immune or transition. You always play the same timings and with the 50 % rng that you have the chance to hit the same button over and over until it lucky procs except in your wildfire phase. And brd scales with the best star atm I game the most, I mean whoever thought crit scaling with crit as main stat whas a good idea should to penance for that idea.
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