Dancer is a DPS

[Levy9]

at least we know we will get a healer in 6.0 now. still so disappointed.

To reach parity, we need another ranged physical DPS and another caster.

6.0 could potentially be 4 tanks, 4 melee, 4 casters, 4 ranged physical, 3 healers, if we're following the current logic in prioritization and we only get two jobs.

I'm partly joking, but if sub-roles have as much prioritization as roles, it's possible.

[Vaer]

Why would you? Why should you? There is not enough of a dichotomy between the two to warrant you needing six healers. There is enough of one to warrant balancing rpdps to match current options for every other subset.

I mean I don't think that is actually the players' fault. The ones who decided to make a half/half healer job (AST) then spend the last 4 years dart boarding buffs/nerfs are not the players and as far as I can tell we still haven't gotten anywhere. Maybe they should bite the bullet and add a 3rd healing discipline instead of trying to balance regen + shield comp or just overhaul and open the comp up to more variety. Or, you know just add another regen/shielder if they are really out of ideas and won't budge.

[Miziliti]

If they dare to use BLU as an excuse to not add a third job, which should potentially be a new healer, I swear I will always s/h/i/t on the existence of Blue Mage in XIV.

I'm not really mad that Dancer is a DPS. I'm mad that the second job reveal is not a healer role. If they follow SB instead of HW, which is my fear, then this really is it for us. When they showed Gunbreaker as a tank role, I thought they really get it. I was waiting for a healer reveal follow by maybe a DPS reveal later.

Ever since HW, I kept waiting for a 3rd job reveal for SB until we were told only two will be added and the worst was that they are both DPS role. They are fun jobs, but I don't get why the other role can't join the fun like HW's DRK/MCH/AST trio addition.

[Lozza]

I'm not disappointed that Dancer is a DPS, I'm disappointed that there is no new healer - and frankly if they add GEO in 6.0 it sounds so much like the CNJ part of WHM mixed with a bit of AST that it feels like healer identity will be even more blurred.

All I can hope is that with DNC hopefully being more support DPS like BRD there might be a bit more variety in team builds.

[Niroken]

To reach parity, we need another ranged physical DPS and another caster.

6.0 could potentially be 4 tanks, 4 melee, 4 casters, 4 ranged physical, 3 healers, if we're following the current logic in prioritization and we only get two jobs.

I'm partly joking, but if sub-roles have as much prioritization as roles, it's possible.

But we have 3 casting healers while having 0 ranged physical healers and 0 melee healers :0

[Lozza]

But we have 3 casting healers while having 0 ranged physical healers and 0 melee healers :0

I've always found the "sub" role thing to be a bit of an odd argument. I don't really see the sub role as BRD to be phys ranged but rather support dps, and by those standards we only really have one support dps. I'm not really sure that MCH counts as a support DPS, they certainly don't compete for the same slot in groups as BRDs.

And by those standards we absolutely could use a few more healers though I think the sub roles might be more like pro-active and reactive. I'd love to see more things like a skill in another game I played ages ago "reversal of fortune" damage done to target heals some and reflects some back to caster/attacker. (AST currently being a hybrid is a bit of a weird one that fits both catagories.)

I know the poster Levy9 was partially joking, but I think the character interface does the whole sub roles thing a disservice.

[NessaWyvern]

But we have 3 casting healers while having 0 ranged physical healers and 0 melee healers :0

You could also say we only have 1 HoT healer, 1 Shield healer, and 1 hybrid! Which means we need 2 more HoT and 2 more Shield, and 2 more hybrid to equal the DPS subs! :P

[Sentaryuu]

As much as I too wanted a new healer to play, I am fine with Dancer being a DPS. There actually aren't very DPS that interest me, so I will definitely be trying it out. Since I love Bard a lot, I may very well love Dancer as well. I love ranged jobs anyway (aside from MCH sadly). Either way the current healers still have a chance to get something new in their toolkit for Shadowbringers that will make them fun again and there is still chance for something to be announced later. I will wait on that.

Just my 2 cents anyway.

[Levy9]

But we have 3 casting healers while having 0 ranged physical healers and 0 melee healers :0

True. It's another inconsistency.

People were saying that we needed another DPS sub-role instead of a healer in 5.0 because physical ranged DPS lacks parity with other roles.

I'm just pointing out that a new healer in 6.0 isn't necessarily guaranteed following that logic. After 5.0, we'd still have, healers, casters and physical ranged at a lower number than tanks and melee DPS.

If DPS sub-roles are being treated as roles when it comes to prioritization, there is a chance that the two job slots in 6.0 could be used to bump physical ranged and casters up to 4.
I don't agree with it, i'm just pointing out that there is no principle here that suggests healers should be prioritized in 6.0 if DPS sub-roles are being counted as roles.

[Jaywalker]

I thought there should have been a new healer build, and I know dancer has been in-demand, but speaking honestly I don't mind dancer not being a healer. I do think dancer as range DPS maybe could have been implemented at a later point in the interest of a new healer since there is so much DPS already.

I do hope either Necromancer or a dark variant on Chemist winds up being the next healer, completing the circle of goth with tanks and DPS. :P