Please do something about Roll Trolls

[Seraph522]

I have a problem with this as well. Loot shouldn't grant you kick protection.

Thing is, there needs to be some kind of protection in place, otherwise people would start kicking to get specific gear pieces, which would be less than ideal. It sucks that it can be abused to avoid being kicked, but it's kind of a lose-lose situation in that regard.

[Hash_Browns]

Thing is, there needs to be some kind of protection in place, otherwise people would start kicking to get specific gear pieces, which would be less than ideal. It sucks that it can be abused to avoid being kicked, but it's kind of a lose-lose situation in that regard.

I suppose that is true.
Truth be told I think the major problem is the 5 minute timer.
Reducing the timer would solve most of the issues at hand. 2 minutes should be more then enough time considering you should be active for the boss itself, meaning you should see the loot.

[Deceptus]

Thing is, there needs to be some kind of protection in place, otherwise people would start kicking to get specific gear pieces, which would be less than ideal. It sucks that it can be abused to avoid being kicked, but it's kind of a lose-lose situation in that regard.

Which is exactly what happened to me.

FC was running an alliance in a 24 man and they all kicked me. Of course I reported it but couldn't do anything after the fact.

[NessaWyvern]

Non rollers can be annoying when doing maps also, it holds up everybody for so long. Shortened timers please

[Krojack]

SE please make an announcement because somehow it is not clear enough in your ToS. Greifing by way of not rolling on loot until the last seconds is not allowed.

The Idea behind this sort of greifing is that players will become frustrated and leave the instance thus no longer being eligible for the loot thereby reducing the amount of competing loot rolls against the greifer. Thereby forcing players to stand around for several minutes waiting after their legitimate roll for their loot.

I just alt-tab and do something else like watch something on YouTube or something. Time goes by pretty fast if you do that. Troll the trolls right back.

[JunseiKei]

I sometimes wait for other people to roll. I don't usually wait the full 5 minutes or whatever the timer is. As people roll, it removes that number from future rolls on that particular item - this works to both your advantage and disadvantage.

That being said, in a dungeon where a tank is actually hauling their butt and just chain pulls (I love these tanks BTW), I sometimes forget to roll. If I'm that tank, chances are, I forget to roll until it's around 20 seconds. I don't know why, I just forget loot is a thing when tanking (probably because more things to keep track of - CDs, gauging how good the DPS is or how well the healer is doing, their MP, my MP 'cause I DRK, my enmity levels, enemy casts and if I can throw Blackest Night on someone for free gauge... It's not being malicious, it's literally the least of my worries). Likewise for alliance raids - if people actually chain pull and not sitting around picking their teeth, I sometimes completely forget to roll. It's not the end of the world. Go and AFK - you don't get kicked for 10 minutes and loot will have been doled out.

[tdb]

That being said, in a dungeon where a tank is actually hauling their butt and just chain pulls (I love these tanks BTW), I sometimes forget to roll.

Even at the end of the dungeon when there's nothing more to pull? I can understand forgetting to roll mid-dungeon and it has happened to me on occasion as well, and it doesn't prevent progress so it's harmless. If you do forget or are not interested in loot at the end of the dungeon though, why would you stay in? Leaving accomplishes the same as passing on loot and allows others to get it.

A few times in 4- and 8-player instances when someone is being obnoxious by not rolling I've checked the "casts their lot" messages against the party list to find out who it is and called them out by name in party chat. That usually gets them to roll as they realize the jig is up.

[JunseiKei]

Even at the end of the dungeon when there's nothing more to pull? I can understand forgetting to roll mid-dungeon and it has happened to me on occasion as well, and it doesn't prevent progress so it's harmless. If you do forget or are not interested in loot at the end of the dungeon though, why would you stay in? Leaving accomplishes the same as passing on loot and allows others to get it.

A few times in 4- and 8-player instances when someone is being obnoxious by not rolling I've checked the "casts their lot" messages against the party list to find out who it is and called them out by name in party chat. That usually gets them to roll as they realize the jig is up.

Yeah, it's annoying to wait around at the end when people just don't roll, but it is the time XIV has allotted for rolling. It would be nice if it were shorter; until then, just do what I said above: roll for loot and then AFK. Loot rolls take 5 minutes at most and you are not kicked from the instance until 10 minutes have elapsed.

[TroySoFab]

I'm impressed with how many people actually agree with this behavior.

[Vidu]

I'm impressed with how many people actually agree with this behavior.

I dont think that people agree with this behavior, they just see it as what it is: Not a huge deal.

Could the roll-timer be shortend to 3 minutes? Sure, that would still be enough for everyone to decide if they want to roll or not.

But calling this "griefing", which is a serious offense in the light of the ToS...? I wouldnt go that far.
To me this sounds like one of those classic cases of "Some minor thing happend to inconevenice me a little and now everyone has to pay!!!"

Can it be annoying if someone doesnt roll for loot? Sure. Specially if you let it get to you. But 5 minutes are not the end of the world, just /sit down, leave your desk, use the downtime to stretch a little, grab a fresh cup of coffee etc.

I dont agree with this behavior, but I also dont believe that we need rules and punishments and reports for every little annoyance that happens to someone in the game. The GMs are probably busy with more important stuff than someone not rolling on loot foa couple of minutes.
So the only thing I could see being helpful is a shortend loot-timer - and a cup of coffee while you wait for everyone to cast their roll.