Baldesion Arsenal Feedback

[Rockette]

Hoo boy. This is has been stressful.

While the dungeon itself is fun, the intended method for party finding is eluding me.

1) You cannot rely on a premade. NA players are screaming DON'T BE ENTITLED, YOU DON'T OWN THE PORTALS and sniping spots from teams who are just trying to prog together while simultaneously flexing their entitlement expecting that team to hold their hand, carry them and explain mechanics. Taking a groups tank or healer off them by rushing portals when they realise groups are attempting to clear and bringing their progress attempt to a complete stop is, understandably, making people hugely upset.

2) You cannot rely on a pug group. You can't change classes in the Arsenal so making a group with a couple of dps, a tank and healer when you get in is almost impossible....unless you make a premade...which you can't rely on, because see point one.

I'm confused on what the intended method of party finding is supposed to be. I assume this system works fine in Japan where people are generally courteous of others but for NA/EU, it's a nightmare. The hostility is reaching all time highs.

Diadems Emergency Mission (while massively flawed in itself) at least allowed teams to enter together.

How is everyone else feeling. The content itself is very fun I thought but this party organizing and desperate rush to get in when pugs realise premades are having an attempt is creating some seriously bad blood.

Edit: I assume this wasn't completely overlooked by the SE team considering the timely announcement of revised behaviour rules.

Edit 2: Trying to get 7 teams in the same instance by spamming the queue over and over again seems like the opposite thing Square would want.

Edit 3: On top of the portal/instancing issues, the mechanics culling due to too many players is horrendous. Example of floor AOE not appearing in AV: https://youtu.be/B5q3hMresgQ and https://twitter.com/mist_llDX/status...42680310943744

Edit 4: Official response from SE/Yoshi

[Aramina]

So far *knock on wood*, this is not something I have really seen on Aether data center. That's not to say that no one hasn't entered a portal solo, but for the most parts groups seem to be mostly getting in together and (pre) coordinating on a Discord channel. I've not seen anyone be nasty about thinking they own portals, or the other side claiming people don't own portals.

[Rockette]

So far *knock on wood*, this is not something I have really seen on Aether data center. That's not to say that no one hasn't entered a portal solo, but for the most parts groups seem to be mostly getting in together and (pre) coordinating on a Discord channel. I've not seen anyone be nasty about thinking they own portals, or the other side claiming people don't own portals.

Boy, let me tell you a story about Primal.

[Derio]

Thats not the case for me. The people who are making pre made everyone else is respectful. Most people are more concerned with the relic than the Arsenal.

[Metalwrath]

That sounds like a player issue and not a design issue to me.
You really cant expect SE just to change the way they design content to accomodate the player base acting like that towards each other.
Also i havent heard or seen any of this kind of thing in EU.
Japan doesnt seem to have these issues either.
NA players are just going to have to learn to get on with each other.If the rest of the world can do it im sure you guys can too.

[Stanelis]

I agree the entry system is really weird considering that you needsomehow optimized party compositions. The system in itself seemed to be intended for players to just join if able and figure something out on the spot but I m not convinced about this.

[KageTokage]

Spent the entire day jumping into the instance whenever it was open, but I don't think there was ever more then 20 players in there, so things never really went anywhere.

[Alkimi]

That should calm down now that it's been cleared. May see more people entering once the majority have finished their relics (which is relatively quick compared to other eureka zones). The mount is really nice so that may be incentive enough.

One QoL change that would be nice is the ability to change jobs once inside, even if just at the start then jobs are locked once you enter combat the first time.

[Crushnight]

let us also go into eureka as alliances getting 6+ groups in same instance can eat up so much time.
Also having to repeatadly ask people not to screw over premade groups is tense >_<
AND FOR THE LOVE OF HYDYLEN NEVER DO A FATE THAT IS REQUIRED TO PROGRESS OUTSIDE THE DUNGEON INSTANCE there isn't anything you can do to mitigate this and really sucks when fate fails

[Moonfish]

How about instead of expecting the other 80 people in the instance to not try BA at all you go in with 3 or 4 premade groups and let the rest be pugs. Your premades don’t own BA or the portals and expecting 80 some other people to not play BA at all is ridiculous and screams entitlement. Get real.