Remove the Profanity Filter

[PPG4LIFE]

This post wasnt based on the main topic anymore.

[Iscah]

If you were using a curse word even as a light tease and someone interpreted as an insult, they could have reported you for it and you will be punished for it if they took offense or thought you were insulting them; regardless of your intent.

That is (still) not what the ToS says. It says you may get punished regardless of intent. Not will. It is an option for the GM to apply if necessary.

Never mind, thinking of the wrong part of the ToS.

[HyoMinPark]

That is (still) not what the ToS says. It says you may get punished regardless of intent. Not will. It is an option for the GM to apply if necessary.


And as I have said before, I expect it's to be applied when someone claims they didn't mean offence, but clearly did, and the GM needs more power than "one person's word against another" - and to solve what was apparently an issue with the old ToS that someone couldn't get in trouble for doing something unless they explicitly stated they were doing it deliberately.

Read the context — Profanity and usage of profanity are actually written in the ToS as being punishable offenses. This is not about that one clause in Prohibited Activities you like to quote about intent, and how punishment may be bestowed if you’re found to violate the rules. If you’re reported for cursing, you’re going to be talked to about it—it’s fairly black-and-white in this instance. The severity of the swear—as well as any prior reports—are likely to determine which kind of “talking to” you get (e.g., warning, temp-ban, etc.).

My talk about “whether this was your intent or not” is more so applied in a sense of “you were talking to people who obviously are aware that you use this kind of language—but Bobby over there saw your language and he didn’t like it, so he reported you for it”.

You’re more likely to get punished for cursing in this game than anything else because it’s something that can be easily confirmed via logs. If you’ve cursed before and have walked off scot-free, that’s more likely because you were never reported. Not that a GM read the report and was like “meh, it was okay for them to use the F-word this time”.

[Iscah]

Read the context — Profanity and usage of profanity are actually written in the ToS as being punishable offenses. This is not about that one clause in Prohibited Activities you like to quote about intent.

Ah, of course. I'm up too late and context did not compute.

And yes, I do "like to quote" it (but not because I like bringing it up over and over), because people keep misinterpreting it and ranting against the misinterpretation as if it were fact. And I hate incorrect information getting passed around.

[HyoMinPark]

Wow, including Private, i only talk in private chats with only friends and the FC is like dead, but there its also only with a friend, so i refuse while i had my penalty to become boring in chats, and when people say something to me like: That one is so boring dont u think, then they just have to add me on my discord, and there i will be full of life as im normally also am and not boring at all.
Alot people find me fun and are glad they found me ingame, because they normally never see such of talkative people ingame to talk casually with.

Like one day i did do once Heaven-on-High on my scholar and said straight at the begin what i think about the class i did lvlup, then someone did react on that and so on we talked alot and became friends and done together even more Heaven-on-High runs. So i mostly always make friends, cus im very casual in talking not acting like a hostile, im always open to help others, ofc stuff can happen or i can do somethings wrong, but i also am just a human, everyone makes mistakes, like in one dungeon i made once 2 mistakes where someone else kept joking about it the entires dungeon so i became mad ofc. anyways im also full of stories which i also always did tell to everyone, which i cant do anymore, since there might be offending stuffs in it for others, only i just dont know on that. Mostly if i do a dungeon, i care more about comfortable party members over pro mean people.

But if i talk in private chats, then its only to friends or to people i wanna apologize to.

If you were reported for profanity usage, it has little to do with what kind of person you are. It’s strictly “You said a bad word”. Nothing more, nothing less. Obviously, punishments can be harsher if you are cursing someone out in a very blatant, confrontational way, or throwing slurs at people; but if you let slip a curse word or slur—even in your “liveliness”—it doesn’t matter how nice and helpful you are. You broke The Rules, and that’s what the GM sees.

The same thing happens just about every day on these forums—I know more people who have been banned because they said (or quoted) a curse word. We aren’t supposed to use them, so I can only recommend to use more caution in the future.

Ah, of course. I'm up too late and context did not compute.

And yes, I do "like to quote" it (but not because I like bringing it up over and over), because people keep misinterpreting it and ranting against the misinterpretation as if it were fact. And I hate incorrect information getting passed around.

That’s fine, but don’t apply it to scenarios where it’s not applicable. This isn’t about intent or the possibility of punishments—it’s about OP said a wordy-durd and got a strike for it. That’s something I think the GMs are particularly rigorous about.

[PPG4LIFE]

i might turn back on the profanity filter then, to see if my words gets censored or not, since i turned it off on day 1 i started around december 2018, so i can just be myself, and im else very boring if i cannot be myself, then i only am negative about mostly myself, which reminds me, if i normally insult anyone then only myself, but never others by using bad words, i only can write sometimes that i refuse joining back the dungeons, just because someone else became toxic to me or just globally in party. But that is not i hope the case of my situation even tho it said i did use profanity in a duty, so i really wonder why, i always talk very casually about everything where i think then at those times. or might my penalty because of my starterline when i play tank, which is like: Welcome everyone in the dungeon with Michelle and her current healslave <2> (which causes to target the healer)

[Iscah]

I'm pretty sure the filter would stop you from *seeing* words, not sending them.

Also, "healslave" is not a nice thing to call someone, even if the words themselves are not "rude". I certainly wouldn't feel welcomed by it.


(Also also, please use some line breaks to make your posts more readable.)

[Arrhin]

I dunno if there's more to this or not. Healslave, in context is rather humorous I guess, maybe....I s'pose. But you have to understand that many people do not take things in context an they may they only see the offensive part of it. That bein said I think the most important takeaway is that you must consider yer audience. I mean, I'm rather crass in game, yes, I even curse in /shout fer cryin out loud but I make sure it's very lighthearted and most definitely not targeted. An no I have never bin reported fer nuthin, an I bin here since launch! In our private FC chat and Linkshells things get very, very, VERY nsfw but we are all good friends and all very much adults. We are also an extremely diverse crowd both gender wise, sexual orientation wise, and racial wise, but again, we are all ADULTS and know the difference between summat said to rib someone or something ACTUALLY offensive. We also will make no beans about tellin someone to stf up if they said the wrong thing (almost never happens). So, ya..there's either more to the story or context was lost with the wrong crowd. Oki, rambling I know, it's bin a long day and work sucked. ADVISE!!! Limit yer macro notifier use to utilitarian things for raises or spells cast for non stackie things an whatnot. Free license is not given to "be yerself" in a public, paid for, moderated forum. Despite what Ma or Da or teacher told ya you canna express yerself like that where others may take offense and take action, and I think the results here speak for themselves. Ask yerself if you say that in public and risk a face to face confrontation. Also be aware that the ToS just changed, and as a diligent player who takes these things serious, you should probly take the advice of the game installer and read them, as well as the EULA.

(Edit) I too should use line breaks,paragraphs, and other whatnots of proper written english. But I am tired and lazy an the best ya gets is this half-hearted edit.

[Doozer]

Also, "healslave" is not a nice thing to call someone, even if the words themselves are not "rude". I certainly wouldn't feel welcomed by it.

If I entered a duty and someone called me their 'healslave', I would take the 30 minute penalty without hesitation because I don't want to be anywhere near someone like that. Being called a slave by someone I don't know is a hard No for me. Certain things might be okay with friends, but people have to understand you can't just say whatever you want to or about strangers.

[Gula]

If I entered a duty and someone called me their 'healslave', I would take the 30 minute penalty without hesitation because I don't want to be anywhere near someone like that. Being called a slave by someone I don't know is a hard No for me. Certain things might be okay with friends, but people have to understand you can't just say whatever you want to or about strangers.

The unfortunate thing is, people are immature and get real uppity when they don't see the person behind the monitor. I got called soft (multiple times from various people) because they called me things like loser, nerd, sloot (except the actual word) and others and I told them not to do that. Their response is guaranteed "Well I call my friends that I don't see why you're so offended." When really, it's not being offended- it's annoyance at insults being treated as endearment to a stranger and someone not one of your closer friends.