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    Quote Originally Posted by MariaArvana View Post
    Playing devil's advocate, stats don't mean much without context behind them. They look like big numbers, but you'd be surprised how little the damage actually increases between 270-> 290 due to stat scaling. There was an old topic about this exact thing where my bf showed using the actual formulas the game uses that even though tanks get something like 1200 extra defense, it actually only works out to 10% extra mitigation and showed that player skill has more bearing than the stats. All that fancy 285 gear doesn't power creep you anywhere as much as you think.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    Bingo. All of this.
    Well i decided to go and do some numbers in game,

    I used ast with no cards as they are rng and could favor one set over the other, i use lucid dreaming on cd, malefic 3, combust 2 refreshed as it dropped off and Earthly star in Duirnal sect for 10 minute duration 10 times the average number of kills against Salt Abinla/earth sprites both lv 69 was
    -ilv270 12 enemies killed
    -ilv285 16 enemies killed

    Other things to point out, i moved as fast as possible to aggro a new mob, because the ilv270 was taking longer to kill i went oom around the 2 minute left mark whereas the ilv285 never got close to 1/4 mp left in fact the ilv 285 killed things faster than the plateau with the enemies respawn timer fortunately on a rock bridge close by there was another Salt Abinla ready, on mount between for 5 secs tops

    Next up is defense, i aggroed an Abaddon lv 69 and took a 50 auto attack non crit, non parried, non direct hit sample
    -ilv270, 2208.44
    -ilv285, 2016.68

    Next magic defense, i aggroed a Salt Abinla lv69 and took a 50 aero non crit, non parried, non direct hit sample
    -ilv270, 2007.14
    -ilv285, 1861.52

    Next we have vit totals
    -23560hp ilv270
    -24850hp ilv285

    Lastly i took a sample of 50 non crit benefics
    -ilv270, 5272.84
    -ilv285, 6336.42

    so comparing on average for lv 69 overworld mobs which have less hp, deal less damage, than the lv69 dungeon trash and bosses
    -you deal 1/4 less damage using your non rng tools
    -you'll be taking 9.509% more physical damage
    -you'll be taking 7.823% more magical damage
    -have 1,290 less hp
    -have 20.171% weaker benefics

    This is specifically for ast but the hp,magic defense, physical defense can be applied to all DoM classes and to put into a bit better perspective a 22k unmitigated raid magic aoe hitting the ilv 285 would live the ilv 270 would be eating that floor.

    This is why i would call anyone in Abania in ilv 270 inconsiderate they are putting more stress on the other party members to make up for damage loss, damage taken, forcing more cds, forced waiting for tp/mp regens.


    Quote Originally Posted by MariaArvana View Post
    Which yeah, given how the vast majority of dps I've encountered barely AoE or do some...interesting rotations, I wouldn't be surprised if I could obliterate the vast majority of 285 dps with 270. Stats only carry people so far, player skill matters infinitely more than them.
    Player skill is always a factor in how fast things are run but you can't tell me if that good ilv270 player was wearing ilv285 gear things wouldn't be better, more stats on a bad player barely raises them, more stats on a good player you start to feel it.
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