Add ilv requirement please in ShB[Dev Request]

[Eli85]

Too many insulting and trolling replies to quote, but the fact that the responses are all, "You don't know what you're talking about," instead of actually discussing and giving reasons why I'm wrong is telling. Look, outside of giving the big personal DPS jobs every buff in the book, DPS enmity just does not outpace tank enmity when the tank is being played correctly. I have seen this play out in groups way too many times to doubt it. If you look at BLM in particular, and you start in Umbral Ice (which you will for every single raid encounter), the most popular guide even says, point blank, that you do not need to use Diversion. So are the BLM theorycrafters also ignorant? Please.

Ultimately I—and hopefully many others—will take empirical experience and theorycrafters over the opinions of insult and troll-ready posters.

[Deceptus]

If you look at BLM in particular, and you start in Umbral Ice (which you will for every single raid encounter), the most popular guide even says, point blank, that you do not need to use Diversion. So are the BLM theorycrafters also ignorant? Please.

You realize other jobs can ramp up a LOT faster than BLM right (i.e. RDM)? That's what diversion is for.

You realize that Diversion protects against early crits in DPS rotations right? Early in the fight when tanks are attempting to establish aggro are the most crucial times in the fight.

There is honestly zero reason to not use Diversion on the pull other than laziness or worse ineptitude.

You are absolutely ignorant of how important Diversion is; that's why people are treating you as such. Your posts sound exactly like something someone who has never played DPS or tanks at a high skill level would say.

EDIT: Yep. Doesn't even have tanks unlocked, save for DRK - which is level 30. But you obviously know what you're talking about when it comes to tank aggro, tank play, and Diversion. Give me a break. Play a tank at level 70 against a good DPS that refuses to quell their aggro, and then come back to me about how Diversion is a crutch.

Troll is troll. I should probably stop feeding them.

Leveling dungeons should have a gear requirement 15 item levels below the gear they drop. This would bring them into line with level 50, 60 and 70 dungeons.

For Stormblood this would mean
-245 Sirensong
-255 Shisui
-261 Bardam
-267 Doma
-273 Castrum

And lastly Ala Mhigo requires item level 280 which is a steady increase to the previous gear requirements.

100% agree, it wouldn't be too hard to extrapolate this to other dungeons as well. The 15 ilvl threshold seem reasonable.

[Kalise]

Too many insulting and trolling replies to quote, but the fact that the responses are all, "You don't know what you're talking about," instead of actually discussing and giving reasons why I'm wrong is telling. Look, outside of giving the big personal DPS jobs every buff in the book, DPS enmity just does not outpace tank enmity when the tank is being played correctly. I have seen this play out in groups way too many times to doubt it. If you look at BLM in particular, and you start in Umbral Ice (which you will for every single raid encounter), the most popular guide even says, point blank, that you do not need to use Diversion. So are the BLM theorycrafters also ignorant? Please.

Please show me a single BLM guide that says not to use Diversion.

Literally every single one I find, tells you to precast Diversion on the pull. Even if starting in UI.

Also, please tell me where exists literally any documentation of a "Optimal Tank" guide in which Tank enmity does not rely on players using enmity reducers. Given that Circle Shirking is also a necessary tool in order to keep enmity for optimal Tank play as well as there being a heavy focus towards using WAR's to pull because of their high initial enmity gain at the lowest DPS cost.

[Sieben79]

Too many insulting and trolling replies to quote, but the fact that the responses are all, "You don't know what you're talking about," instead of actually discussing and giving reasons why I'm wrong is telling. Look, outside of giving the big personal DPS jobs every buff in the book, DPS enmity just does not outpace tank enmity when the tank is being played correctly. I have seen this play out in groups way too many times to doubt it. If you look at BLM in particular, and you start in Umbral Ice (which you will for every single raid encounter), the most popular guide even says, point blank, that you do not need to use Diversion. So are the BLM theorycrafters also ignorant? Please.

Ultimately I—and hopefully many others—will take empirical experience and theorycrafters over the opinions of insult and troll-ready posters.

Use diversion before casting Ice 3. Use it when counter hits "4" immedatly casting Ice 3 after and your cast gets off at "Start". It's easy to use, so why not.

[Anselmet]

Too many insulting and trolling replies to quote, but the fact that the responses are all, "You don't know what you're talking about," instead of actually discussing and giving reasons why I'm wrong is telling. Look, outside of giving the big personal DPS jobs every buff in the book, DPS enmity just does not outpace tank enmity when the tank is being played correctly. I have seen this play out in groups way too many times to doubt it.

Hey if we're gonna cherry pick, let me get in on this. Quick reddit search for blackmage guides batman! Diversion! Oh look someone critique that someone's guide doesn't have DIVERSION Oh hey, same reddit thread yet different guide DIVERSION! And another one with diversion!

So are the BLM theorycrafters also ignorant? Please.

If blm theorycrafters are you then YES! Don't make me go back on reddit for more theorycrafting guides on other classes. Cuz I hate to break it to you, but uh, most classes use this little skill called diversion.

[Gula]

Too many insulting and trolling replies to quote, but the fact that the responses are all, "You don't know what you're talking about," instead of actually discussing and giving reasons why I'm wrong is telling.

Remember to report rude posts, or else they'll stay and continue to stay and be rude to others. Other times it's just better to not react because that's how tensions rise and people really get to scratching each other beyond forum passive aggressiveness. I stay firm in my belief that Diversion is not necessary for dungeons. Because they are dungeons. For higher level dungeons- which is what this thread is all about as well as the focus n o t being on Savage, if your gear is up to par you wouldn't be taking enmity off the tank anyway unless they were out of tank stance and DPS-ing instead of tanking.

[Crushnight]

Too many insulting and trolling replies to quote, but the fact that the responses are all, "You don't know what you're talking about," instead of actually discussing and giving reasons why I'm wrong is telling. Look, outside of giving the big personal DPS jobs every buff in the book, DPS enmity just does not outpace tank enmity when the tank is being played correctly. I have seen this play out in groups way too many times to doubt it. If you look at BLM in particular, and you start in Umbral Ice (which you will for every single raid encounter), the most popular guide even says, point blank, that you do not need to use Diversion. So are the BLM theorycrafters also ignorant? Please.

Ultimately I—and hopefully many others—will take empirical experience and theorycrafters over the opinions of insult and troll-ready posters.

Remember to report rude posts, or else they'll stay and continue to stay and be rude to others. Other times it's just better to not react because that's how tensions rise and people really get to scratching each other beyond forum passive aggressiveness. I stay firm in my belief that Diversion is not necessary for dungeons. Because they are dungeons. For higher level dungeons- which is what this thread is all about as well as the focus n o t being on Savage, if your gear is up to par you wouldn't be taking enmity off the tank anyway unless they were out of tank stance and DPS-ing instead of tanking.

Feel free to continue to not using diversion your choice to do so, but you cannot just blame the tanks you have to blame yourself as well for when you take aggro because you are not doing everything you can to try to help the situation.

[Ilan]

Remember to report rude posts, or else they'll stay and continue to stay and be rude to others. Other times it's just better to not react because that's how tensions rise and people really get to scratching each other beyond forum passive aggressiveness. I stay firm in my belief that Diversion is not necessary for dungeons. Because they are dungeons. For higher level dungeons- which is what this thread is all about as well as the focus n o t being on Savage, if your gear is up to par you wouldn't be taking enmity off the tank anyway unless they were out of tank stance and DPS-ing instead of tanking.

There was nothing rude in it to tell people they are wrong and telling someone that he has no idea what he is talking about is not insulting. Your stuborn behaviour on the other hand is rude because you make your parties life harder just for your QoL and using diversion has nothing to do with savage!

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Remember to report rude posts, or else they'll stay and continue to stay and be rude to others. Other times it's just better to not react because that's how tensions rise and people really get to scratching each other beyond forum passive aggressiveness. I stay firm in my belief that Diversion is not necessary for dungeons. Because they are dungeons. For higher level dungeons- which is what this thread is all about as well as the focus n o t being on Savage, if your gear is up to par you wouldn't be taking enmity off the tank anyway unless they were out of tank stance and DPS-ing instead of tanking.

Funny how the game gives you an ability that isn't "necessary for dungeons" at level 20.

Flimsiest excuse for being lazy ever.

[Derio]

Too many insulting and trolling replies to quote, but the fact that the responses are all, "You don't know what you're talking about," instead of actually discussing and giving reasons why I'm wrong is telling. Look, outside of giving the big personal DPS jobs every buff in the book, DPS enmity just does not outpace tank enmity when the tank is being played correctly. I have seen this play out in groups way too many times to doubt it. If you look at BLM in particular, and you start in Umbral Ice (which you will for every single raid encounter), the most popular guide even says, point blank, that you do not need to use Diversion. So are the BLM theorycrafters also ignorant? Please.

Ultimately I—and hopefully many others—will take empirical experience and theorycrafters over the opinions of insult and troll-ready posters.

This is true however it is a group dps loss because the tank would need to use enmity generation combos.

However nobody really cares for min/max in a dungeon.

But when the tank has minimum ilvl and dps has maximum ilvl if the dps is not using enmity reducing cooldowns then no matter how hard the tank spams his/her aggro combo, the dps will then become the tank.