Add ilv requirement please in ShB[Dev Request]

[Anselmet]

Calm down. Text doesn't carry tone too well but you seem awfully worked up. My mentality isn't wrong, because it works and it will continue to work. I'm sorry that me not using 1 button upsets you. But hey, my gear is fine.

Worked up? No. Making fun of how you really don't know what you're talking about? Yes. And I was not talking about gear, mate. You, a monk, will cause grief for the healer in pulls because you do not have the health nor the defense of a tank and one monster can/will hurt you enough that they will have to stop focusing on the tank (who is number priority here) to heal you. And you complain that switching hotbars is too tough, try micro managing a tank that is taking massive damage and dumb dps that won't use one cd to help the party 'bc its too hard'. If you still think that attitude is okay then I have no words for you. That is selfishness at its finest. It's one button. Map it out and push it.

[Mesarthim]

If people are running out of space on their controller configurations then they are doing something wrong or haven't fully learned how to set up hotkeys. I am also a controller user and I have easy access to:

Hotbar 1, the primary hotbar.
Hotbar 2, for infrequent things like summoning, protect, chocobo, etc. Manually access by a single R1 tap (second R1 tap swaps back to 1). Also has misc things like 1,2,3,4 markers.
Hotbar 3: I Access by holding both R2 and L2 for easy immediate access to another 8 buttons, and can be set up for an additional 8 depending on which trigger you held down first (R2+L2 or L2+R2)
Hotbar 4: I set up for access by double tapping L2 or R2 to access this. That's another 16 buttons right there.

So 16+16+16+8+8. That's up to 64 easily accessed buttons. If I can fit everything necessary for a paladin, you can fit everything on a dps.

Also put a minimum ilvl for leveling dungeons. I've also fallen victim to people's lack of gear knowledge or intentional negligence.

[Kalise]

I think I made it clear it's what I do, not what people should do. If not, whoops. People seem to be highly over hyping the difficulty of a dungeon. 1 loss of aggro does not end a run. Bloodbath for melee makes sure of it as long as it's not 3-4 mobs chomping at them, which is very unlikely.

Well, the fact remains, that this is a thread a bout minimum item level requirements.

Where people are trying to advocate for the adding of minimum item level requirements for leveling dungeons to help ensure that their parties aren't bad.

Coming in and saying "Yeah, I just make things harder for Tanks and Healers because I can't be bothered to use a single button that is oGCD and generally just needs to be pressed once at the start of a fight" is generally not going to go down well.

Since, a side tangent for this thread has been about teaching people how to play their job. This includes, DPS and Healers using their enmity reductions. Since not doing so, causes DPS losses (From the tank having to stay in Defensive Stance and use Enmity combos to even healers having to spot heal the dumb DPS that keeps ripping aggro because they're doing stupid burst on the wrong target(s) before the Tank has set up a comfortable Enmity cushion) and is akin to having a DPS enter a duty while undergeared, where they become a liability and worth less DPS than they would had they been adequately prepared for the content.

Honestly, the game really could do with focusing more on getting people to actually learn to play. Learning to gear up, even while leveling. Learning how to play their class. Learning to use things like Diversion to enable other roles to be able to play properly.

Maybe you can argue "Hurr durr, it's only Sastasha no-one cares" or something, but in reality, it's a mind set thing. If people don't learn what to do while leveling up, what happens when they then have to participate in the actually challenging high level content? Places like The Burn and Ghimlyt Dark are examples of dungeons that were fairly challenging on release and are required for MSQ progression (So can't be hand waved off as "Optional Content" designed for more hardcore players like Savage Raids)

If people go through levels 1-79 not caring about playing properly or having gear, then it affects level 80 content because these people who never learned to play or gear up end up in the more meaningful content still unable to play. To say nothing about how it also requires duties to be designed to be absolutely faceroll so you have new Dungeons with difficulty lower than Sastasha (Which is actually the case in some dungeons given that Sastasha has artifiicial difficulty of few jobs having AoE's at that level so mass pulls are more dangerous)

[LalaRu]

...As long as DPS classes are properly playing as well and using aggro reducers...

Are we talking of DF, right? right?

[Ilan]

Calm down. Text doesn't carry tone too well but you seem awfully worked up. My mentality isn't wrong, because it works and it will continue to work. I'm sorry that me not using 1 button upsets you. But hey, my gear is fine.

Your mentality is very wrong. You make your party members work harder because you are lazy af. I honestly hope that tanks will call you out or shirk you until you stop making their lifes miserable just because you can't be bothered to press one damn button.

[Wolwosh]

The other day I got a tank as a healer with a lot of Shisui pieces(63) in the Ala Mhigo dungeon. The least you could do is finish your job quest and get the free relic gear

[Liam_Harper]

I think I made it clear it's what I do, not what people should do. If not, whoops. People seem to be highly over hyping the difficulty of a dungeon. 1 loss of aggro does not end a run. Bloodbath for melee makes sure of it as long as it's not 3-4 mobs chomping at them, which is very unlikely.

Genius idea for you to solve your hotbar problem.

Take Bloodbath off it, put Diversion on instead. You simultanously contribute to your group and don't need Bloodbath anymore (which is a fairly neglible heal anyway). No need to thank me.

[Eli85]

Snip.

Not incorrect at all. Enmity reducers in this game, honestly, are just a crutch for poor tank play. Even when the highest DPSers are going all out (and does not use Enmity reducers), and they pull aggro, something went wrong with the tank.

Snip.

Ah, yes, how wonderful these counter-arguments are: accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about and heavily implying I'm ignorant. Wonderful. No, I know what I'm talking about. Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

[Anselmet]

Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

That's hot crock of bs. A drg, due to how much our class produces agro, can easily pull any boss off of good tanks with our openers. This is the same across many classes. Some of us have learned by have a boss eat our faces off to click one measly button to prevent this issue. And even then if its a mob of monsters how hard is it to press a button? Agro isn't proof of dps prowess that's for sure, let alone a tanks ability.

Like I cannot understand your peoples argument. Its an instant skill that you can press before a pull. Seems to me you just wanna be lazy and point fingers at the tank instead of reflecting.

[Banriikku]

@Eli85 No Diversion ? Why ? Dead DPS/Healer dont do anything ... whats the benefit ? Or do you think tanks should not DPS and healers should only heal then ? Please no....

And yes please - we need a ilvl requirement for ALL dungeons. Nothing harsh but something that tells you "nope take that bikini off and wear some proper gear!"