Add ilv requirement please in ShB[Dev Request]

[HyoMinPark]

This sub-discussion of Diversion is silly. It really isn't an essential action at all. For if a DPS feels compelled to use it, it is almost always because they are playing with a subpar tanks. When tanks are playing properly, Diversion is completely unneeded.

That's incorrect. Unless you're referring to a tank who sits in tank stance and spams their aggro combo and nothing else. But then that's not proper play.

DPS should always use their enmity tools. They are free, and there's no reason not to use them. The only ones who have a half-excuse are BRD/MCH... but at optimal levels, you have specific timings for Refresh that coincide with reducing your aggro after bursts; and people shouldn't be dying, so Tactician is really a freebie. If a tank or melee do die, it's a good thing all melee have Invigorate/Goad to use!

As a controller player, it's easier (for me) to ignore it. Yes I can press R1 to swap my hotbars or select a specific one, but it's not a comfortable thing for me to do. Hoping we get a reduced skill bloat so I can fit that Diversion in somewhere.

Controller users can have 32 buttons with the extended cross feature, plus an additional 16 if you want to use the W-cross bar. As a fellow controller user, I have zero issues with finding places for my buttons with these features. Especially since I prioritize things like the role skills based on the frequency I would need them. Diversion is a high-frequency skill, so I place it in an easy-to-access place. Lesser used actions are more off to the side.

[linay]

On dungeon bosses, usually one diversion at the beginning of the fight should be enough to carry you until the end of the boss fight. Regular enemies usually don't need diversion unless tank is undergeared compared to DPS and or if DPS is single targeting one enemy that the tank isn't giving enough attention.

And it's OGCD, and all role actions can be used now, plus it has a nice animation, so just use it.

Tactician is really a freebie.

On recent occasions, I've asked my fellow BRD/MCH to please give me that, but they refuse. (I know TP is going away, but we still have 3 months!)

[HyoMinPark]

On recent occasions, I've asked my fellow BRD/MCH to please give me that, but they refuse. (I know TP is going away, but we still have 3 months!)

Is this on a melee DPS or tank? Melee DPS have Invigorate, so you should use that first in the event the BRD/MCH had to use Tactician for an aggro dump (MCH typically is fine with just Refresh, but a BRD bursts every 80 seconds and fairly heavily; so they may have had to use it to prevent themselves from ripping after a Minuet/RS window). I know SAM AOE is TP heavy, so they should use Tactician for AOE if you have already used Invigorate and it's still on CD.

On tanks, the only one that should have issues is PLD. In which case, they need Goad/Tactician. DRK AOE is MP related, and WARs can Equilibrium in Deliverance for a free 200 TP every 60secs. Baby, but unless you're spamming Overpower non-stop and not trying to build for Decimates, you shouldn't have too many issues with TP.

But keep in mind I'm referring to optimal play against single targets. The only TP issues you should have on a single target is a death... in which case, there should be Invigorate available upon Raise, or hopefully another melee with Goad.

[linay]

Is this on a melee DPS or tank? Melee DPS have Invigorate, so you should use that first in the event the BRD/MCH had to use Tactician for an aggro dump (MCH typically is fine with just Refresh, but a BRD bursts every 80 seconds and fairly heavily; so they may have had to use it to prevent themselves from ripping after a Minuet/RS window). I know SAM AOE is TP heavy, so they should use Tactician for AOE if you have already used Invigorate and it's still on CD.

On tanks, the only one that should have issues is PLD. In which case, they need Goad/Tactician. DRK AOE is MP related, and WARs can Equilibrium in Deliverance for a free 200 TP every 60secs. Baby, but unless you're spamming Overpower non-stop and not trying to build for Decimates, you shouldn't have too many issues with TP.

But keep in mind I'm referring to optimal play against single targets. The only TP issues you should have on a single target is a death... in which case, there should be Invigorate available upon Raise, or hopefully another melee with Goad.

On my SAM, I would use invigorate, but from time to time, especially on bigger pulls, that 400 extra TP will run out quickly.

I would use goad when the PLD ask for it because I'm bad at paying attention to others (another reason I don't do healing well).

[Eli85]

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Not incorrect at all. Enmity reducers in this game, honestly, are just a crutch for poor tank play. Even when the highest DPSers are going all out (and does not use Enmity reducers), and they pull aggro, something went wrong with the tank.

Snip.

Ah, yes, how wonderful these counter-arguments are: accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about and heavily implying I'm ignorant. Wonderful. No, I know what I'm talking about. Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

[Awful]

Ah, yes, how wonderful these counter-arguments are: accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about and heavily implying I'm ignorant. Wonderful. No, I know what I'm talking about. Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

Lmao what? A crutch? You actually have no idea what you're talking about it's just common sense how do I do my burst without pulling threat? Diversion. This game revolves around burst damage and Diversion literally costs you 1 OGCD so you can properly DPS without building up hate, I'd love to see you tank a BLM who has a Foul and goes ham when you just used Shield Lob/Unmend/Tomahawk who actually is geared and knows their rotation you'd be like "WhY aReN't YoU uSiNg DiVeRsIoN!?" or hell any kind of tank.

You are ignorant it's pretty easy to see that you don't understand that Diversion only helps you DPS and help the tank it's not some trophy to pull hate from the tank specially in Savage when you have to Shrik while being out of tank stance to DPS unless you're a turtle tank then yeah you'll never understand.

[KDSilver]

DPS refusing to use diversion for whatever reason while it's just a one-pressed-button-job-done it's just laughable to read.
Because why make things easier when you can make it worse right.

[Campi]

Not incorrect at all. Enmity reducers in this game, honestly, are just a crutch for poor tank play. Even when the highest DPSers are going all out (and does not use Enmity reducers), and they pull aggro, something went wrong with the tank.



Ah, yes, how wonderful these counter-arguments are: accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about and heavily implying I'm ignorant. Wonderful. No, I know what I'm talking about. Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

Pls learn first how this game works, before you give advice to other ppl

[GeminiXIV]

Not incorrect at all. Enmity reducers in this game, honestly, are just a crutch for poor tank play. Even when the highest DPSers are going all out (and does not use Enmity reducers), and they pull aggro, something went wrong with the tank.



Ah, yes, how wonderful these counter-arguments are: accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about and heavily implying I'm ignorant. Wonderful. No, I know what I'm talking about. Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

Hahahaha.

This post is so hilariously painful that it broke my 2 year lurk streak.

[HyoMinPark]

Not incorrect at all. Enmity reducers in this game, honestly, are just a crutch for poor tank play. Even when the highest DPSers are going all out (and does not use Enmity reducers), and they pull aggro, something went wrong with the tank.



Ah, yes, how wonderful these counter-arguments are: accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about and heavily implying I'm ignorant. Wonderful. No, I know what I'm talking about. Enmity reducers are a crutch. If you can't handle DPSers that don't use Diversion, you may want to re-think tanking.

Diversion is a crutch for poor tank play? Please.

You are absolutely ignorant of how important Diversion is; that's why people are treating you as such. Your posts sound exactly like something someone who has never played DPS or tanks at a high skill level would say.

EDIT: Yep. Doesn't even have tanks unlocked, save for DRK - which is level 30. But you obviously know what you're talking about when it comes to tank aggro, tank play, and Diversion. Give me a break. Play a tank at level 70 against a good DPS that refuses to quell their aggro, and then come back to me about how Diversion is a crutch.

i honesty doubt that anyone is wearing below maybe 59 gear for shi or ghost .. after that sure and honestly when i upped my rdm to 70 i had my 59 wep till lvl 69 cuz bad rng and was not going 2 pay 100k for a weapon of white quality and was just fine

"I doubt this actually happens."
"I used a level 59 weapon until Castrum Abania."

Congratulations on your contradiction.


Your weapon in anything past Gubal Library (NM) was a hinderance. It didn't seem like a problem because your parties for the other dungeons carried you (for some reason). Don't be lazy - buy a decent weapon. 270 Shire weapons can be purchased for half the poetics they used to cost, and last until Bardam's/Doma for DPS jobs. This game barfs tomestones at you, so use them. Stop being a hinderance.