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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    Especially not since MSQ literally throws HQ gear at you.
    Just thought I'd take a moment to point out that, while yes, the MSQ does reward some bits of gear, it fails to reward an entire set. For many pieces, the player would be required to slog through some side quests, hunt down a shop, or farm the previous dungeon. All of which sorta run counter to what the devs seem to want, which is the ability to rush the story without having to detour.

    Personally, I'd suggest nixing all of the gear rewards scattered throughout quests, and simply reward gear coffers at specific intervals. Include all gear necessary to reach a specified ilvl. You'll lose some incentive to do side quests, without them rewarding additional gear, but you'll ensure players are adequately prepared. In fact, maybe you can retain the side quest incentives, by rewarding all HQ items through side quests (assuming there are enough to ensure complete sets... that would potentially require very many side quests) while the provided coffers only supply NQ.
    But, the greater point is, in order to satisfy dev requirements of not slowing down story progression, while satisfying player demands for competent ilvl, I think the best solution is to guarantee a complete set of gear capable of meeting those requirements without being forced into optional content.
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    Jets Down
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post
    Just thought I'd take a moment to point out that, while yes, the MSQ does reward some bits of gear, it fails to reward an entire set. For many pieces, the player would be required to slog through some side quests, hunt down a shop, or farm the previous dungeon. All of which sorta run counter to what the devs seem to want, which is the ability to rush the story without having to detour.

    Personally, I'd suggest nixing all of the gear rewards scattered throughout quests, and simply reward gear coffers at specific intervals. Include all gear necessary to reach a specified ilvl. You'll lose some incentive to do side quests, without them rewarding additional gear, but you'll ensure players are adequately prepared. In fact, maybe you can retain the side quest incentives, by rewarding all HQ items through side quests (assuming there are enough to ensure complete sets... that would potentially require very many side quests) while the provided coffers only supply NQ.
    But, the greater point is, in order to satisfy dev requirements of not slowing down story progression, while satisfying player demands for competent ilvl, I think the best solution is to guarantee a complete set of gear capable of meeting those requirements without being forced into optional content.
    If that was the true reason they contradict that once you hit max level you have to get gear to progress story you can't enter the Burn with your 290 stuff the only lv 70 gear the game gives you (Which is technically side story content despite it being mandatory for full job abilities) you also need a high enough ilv for Ala Mhigo and Royal Menagerie so yes the devs are saying you need gear to finish baseline expansion story as well so why can't leveling dungeons have an ilv requirement too? these requirements do not need to be severe but some manner of poor gear restriction needs to come from SE until they do i blame them and the player for entering these dungeons really undergeared.

    Now your idea has merit but there does need to be a reason to do side quests other than lore a small carrot like belts/accessories aren't bad rewards to give they are useful without being demanding, SB was better paced(Level wise) than HW but you still hit the occasional level block anyway side quests help or rerunning dungeons both reward exp and gear and with the ilv requirements that are appropriate to the dungeon eg by the 4th you want to start having people in that expansion's gear no new person should be getting gear blocked it should only be those leveling alt jobs who at that point should know the importance of gear
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    Kalise Relanah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    Now your idea has merit but there does need to be a reason to do side quests other than lore a small carrot
    Given that for the most part, side quests are for alternate classes (Due to MSQ giving your primary job the brunt of the experience they need to level) it's quite possible that they could have sidequests enable you to get additional gear sets.

    So that essentially, while going through a zone, you get access to 1 gear set via MSQ and get the other 6 sets via sidequests. Meaning the only gear you'd have to outsource being job specifics (Weapons).

    Thus making having appropriate gear being pretty simple by having quests provide ample supplies which can be bolstered through dungeons (That will inevitably be required for MSQ progression), crafting or vendors.

    Whilst also getting people into the idea of improving their gear, ready for when the max level MSQ content will force them to start sourcing gear upgrades from other places.
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    Faerie
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post
    Snip.
    After leveling an alt through ARR and HW and now I"m in SB gear really isn't that hard to hunt down whatsoever you get free ilvl 230 gear which isn't bad at all means you can do Baelsar's Wall rather quickly and you can run MSQ roulette as well as unlock lvl 50 dungeons for the free 100 Poetics or you can even unlock them while you're leveling and do them for free EXP and Poetics. My alts sitting at ilvl 270 with no effort, fully melded as well since the quests throw materia at you like it's candy, the only thing that's odd is that they don't give you 260 coffers after Baelsar's Wall which to me is odd but the MSQ gives you HQ 255 gear after (literally a whole set for your left side) so there's no excuse for having no gear.

    What I'd suggest that SE does is after Baelsar's Wall is over is a Shire weapon and a coffer for ilvl 260 accessories that way people who are still leveling won't invalidate the SB opening quests that give 255 HQ left side before you even get into Sirensong Sea and people would be all ready. The side quests that are worth doing lvling is the blue side ones since they unlock dungeons or Aether Currents and that's all you should really be focusing when going through SB as by the time you'd have access to Si Shui you'd have 260 accessories that can be upgraded through that dungeon as well as your left side being up to date.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post
    Just thought I'd take a moment to point out that, while yes, the MSQ does reward some bits of gear, it fails to reward an entire set. For many pieces, the player would be required to slog through some side quests, hunt down a shop, or farm the previous dungeon. All of which sorta run counter to what the devs seem to want, which is the ability to rush the story without having to detour.

    Personally, I'd suggest nixing all of the gear rewards scattered throughout quests, and simply reward gear coffers at specific intervals. Include all gear necessary to reach a specified ilvl. You'll lose some incentive to do side quests, without them rewarding additional gear, but you'll ensure players are adequately prepared. In fact, maybe you can retain the side quest incentives, by rewarding all HQ items through side quests (assuming there are enough to ensure complete sets... that would potentially require very many side quests) while the provided coffers only supply NQ.
    But, the greater point is, in order to satisfy dev requirements of not slowing down story progression, while satisfying player demands for competent ilvl, I think the best solution is to guarantee a complete set of gear capable of meeting those requirements without being forced into optional content.
    Oh darn, I have to talk to this quest NPC right next to a MSQ NPC (to get said full gear set)! You know, the one that's going to help me level . . . the horror.

    Going through the MSQ, I never had any problem getting HQ versions of gear. I actually had extra gear for future jobs if I planned it right because some quests offered physical and some offered caster gear.

    All of that was going through the normal pace of the MSQ. Not doing anything special.
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