Add ilv requirement please in ShB[Dev Request]

[Yshal]

I feel like it wouldn't be such a large issue if people didn't expect tanks to always mass pull.

I tend to only pull one pack at a time if I'm not familiar with a dungeon or if the healer or dps look a little under geared. So my dungeon takes like 5 minutes longer? Big whoop.

If a tank is getting 1 shot or a healer is running oom, sure there's an issue. But we're talking about slower clear speeds right? We're not talking about a wipe fest?

[Awful]

I feel like it wouldn't be such a large issue if people didn't expect tanks to always mass pull.

I tend to only pull one pack at a time if I'm not familiar with a dungeon or if the healer or dps look a little under geared. So my dungeon takes like 5 minutes longer? Big whoop.

If a tank is getting 1 shot or a healer is running oom, sure there's an issue. But we're talking about slower clear speeds right? We're not talking about a wipe fest?

That's not the issue we're talking about I couldn't care less if they mass pull or whatever what we're talking about is having people who are massively under geared I had a Sirensong Sea today with 2 people who's average item level was around 160 160!, you can be slightly undergeared and mass pull that's fine ilvl 240 mass pulling? It can be done. A tank mass pulling in ilvl 160 in a dungeon that drops 260 gear? They're gonna die in seconds that's what we're talking about as well as having DPS who have appropriate gear (Bards having DEX accessories vs having INT/MND gear) the issue isn't mass pulling it's people who are too lazy to upgrade their gear.

Here's an example of what we're talking about



This guys avg ilvl is probably about 188? It's unupgraded ilvl 200 AF gear that's a no go when you can easily take an hour out of your time in a day and get 2000 Poetics for some easy 260 gear there's no excuse.

[Crushnight]

I feel like it wouldn't be such a large issue if people didn't expect tanks to always mass pull.

I tend to only pull one pack at a time if I'm not familiar with a dungeon or if the healer or dps look a little under geared. So my dungeon takes like 5 minutes longer? Big whoop.

If a tank is getting 1 shot or a healer is running oom, sure there's an issue. But we're talking about slower clear speeds right? We're not talking about a wipe fest?

That's not the issue we're talking about I couldn't care less if they mass pull or whatever what we're talking about is having people who are massively under geared I had a Sirensong Sea today with 2 people who's average item level was around 160 160!, you can be slightly undergeared and mass pull that's fine ilvl 240 mass pulling? It can be done. A tank mass pulling in ilvl 160 in a dungeon that drops 260 gear? They're gonna die in seconds that's what we're talking about as well as having DPS who have appropriate gear (Bards having DEX accessories vs having INT/MND gear) the issue isn't mass pulling it's people who are too lazy to upgrade their gear.

Here's an example of what we're talking about



This guys avg ilvl is probably about 188? It's unupgraded ilvl 200 AF gear that's a no go when you can easily take an hour out of your time in a day and get 2000 Poetics for some easy 260 gear there's no excuse.

^ this is the issue i want the devs to try to address i do not care how tanks will pull dungeons i do not care if a dungeon takes a little while longer i do care you coming into things with half the hp i have as a hlr because you are only a burden at that point

[Krojack]

Is this really a problem people have? I've run several thousand dungeons and have yet to experience this.

The only problem I see are players not playing their class correctly. Once dungeon run I had a paladin run with Sword Oath and COULD NOT keep threat. I and others asked over and over for them to change to Shield Oath but they completely ignored us. Yes I even used the auto translate but their game was already set to English only language. We ended up having to kick him. THIS is the bigger problem, lazy or uninformed players not knowing how to play their class, or just trolling.

[HyoMinPark]

Is this really a problem people have? I've run several thousand dungeons and have yet to experience this.

The only problem I see are players not playing their class correctly. Once dungeon run I had a paladin run with Sword Oath and COULD NOT keep threat. I and others asked over and over for them to change to Shield Oath but they completely ignored us. Yes I even used the auto translate but their game was already set to English only language. We ended up having to kick him. THIS is the bigger problem, lazy or uninformed players not knowing how to play their class, or just trolling.

Oh, it’s a problem. I’ve seen it and experienced it many times, in addition to the stories you see on here quite frequently about getting people in dungeons with questionable gear.

Never forget when I was leveling AST on my alt, and I queued into the Aery (level 56 AST), and had the most HP out of everyone, including the tank, by a considerable margin (couple thousand, which at that level is pretty significant). I was glad for the first time that it had been nerfed when Stormblood came out, because at least things didn’t hit as hard as they used to. Nidhogg was still a disaster though... 3 wipes. :’D

[Awful]

THIS is the bigger problem, lazy or uninformed players not knowing how to play their class, or just trolling.

I mean these kinda go hand in hand if you think about it just some are so lazy that they're a detriment no matter what they do whether it be not AoEing, not tanking, barely healing, standing the bad etc, I had a healer and BLM in Sirensong Sea literally 2 days ago that had ilvl 160 gear. Not only were they undergeared but they were so bad (Medica II on the only 2 trash pulls we did, healing for a measly 5k with Cure II, No Regen, BLM not using Fire IV or Fire II etc) even if they had gear they were bad as they stood in everything and I had to kite as a tank.

The kicker: these guys had a lvl 70 each a tank and a healer and they were that bad and had no regard for anyone but each other as they que'd together into the dungeon with me and another rando and wasted almost 20 mins of our time, yeah I'm a tank and can get insta ques but it's the principle. Don't que into dungeons with gear that's 50, 60, 100 ilvls below the dungeon and use your abilities and stand out of the bad that's all everyone wants.

[SenorPatty]

Is this really a problem people have? I've run several thousand dungeons and have yet to experience this.

The only problem I see are players not playing their class correctly. Once dungeon run I had a paladin run with Sword Oath and COULD NOT keep threat. I and others asked over and over for them to change to Shield Oath but they completely ignored us. Yes I even used the auto translate but their game was already set to English only language. We ended up having to kick him. THIS is the bigger problem, lazy or uninformed players not knowing how to play their class, or just trolling.

Once upon a time, I didn't have that problem either. Or at the very least, it didn't look all that apparent to me.

Then everything changed when SB attacked. I mean came in.

Up to this day, the most notorious dgns for having people come in severely undergeared are Sirensong and Castrum. My favorite was this one run in Sirensong where the healer in AF2 gear died to a fully shared stack mech from first boss even with full hp. You know what else made my day in that run? When I pointed it out--and also made the mention that I was gonna do small pulls--the dragoon in that party said the healer was fine cuz "she has a 250 weapon" and even got snarky that I didn't do the first mass pull there. That insta death promptly shut him up

[Crushnight]

The kicker: these guys had a lvl 70 each a tank and a healer and they were that bad and had no regard for anyone but each other as they que'd together into the dungeon with me and another rando and wasted almost 20 mins of our time, yeah I'm a tank and can get insta ques but it's the principle. Don't que into dungeons with gear that's 50, 60, 100 ilvls below the dungeon and use your abilities and stand out of the bad that's all everyone wants.

And only one of those 3 can the devs alleviate the problem, which they currently are not doing hence the request to try.

I don't want to sound rude... but please use punctuation. Commas, full stop, I had a hard time reading your post being one massive sentence without punctuation.

Sorry English was never my strong point it was a bit long even had a typo i'll rectify XD

[Kalise]

Is this really a problem people have? I've run several thousand dungeons and have yet to experience this.

Even if you don't run into this problem, it's also beneficial to implement these steps to ensure that you continue to not run into it.

It's also why I think that there should be some more emphasis on implementing some sort of job training within the games progression, so as to also mitigate players whom just play poorly *Cough*Ice Mages*Cough*Mute Bards*Cough*Threatless Tanks*Cough*

Since, in the majority of duty runs, things are fine. However, preventative measures can go a long way to ensure things stay fine and also increase the ratio of pleasant duty runs (Also, it would mean that you can have actual duties that are actually engaging because they can be designed around people whom have gear that was released this decade and know somewhat how to actually play their job. Instead of making them all just wall-to-wall zergfests)

Given that, sure, this game has a heavy focus on the story (Thus MSQ), it's still an MMO where people play together in dungeons and trials. As such they should be prepared for playing in said dungeons and trials.

Especially if Trusts can allow players whom only care for the story to be able to plod through the MSQ without needing to involve themselves in party play.

[Ilan]

Is this really a problem people have? I've run several thousand dungeons and have yet to experience this.

The only problem I see are players not playing their class correctly. Once dungeon run I had a paladin run with Sword Oath and COULD NOT keep threat. I and others asked over and over for them to change to Shield Oath but they completely ignored us. Yes I even used the auto translate but their game was already set to English only language. We ended up having to kick him. THIS is the bigger problem, lazy or uninformed players not knowing how to play their class, or just trolling.

You didn't have it or you didn't notice it because you didn't pay attention to whats happening? Doesn't matter which one of these two its beneficial for everyone, even for the people that never noticed...erm experienced it.

Lazy and uninformed players are the same people that go into 60+ dungeons with unfitting gear because they are to lazy to upgrade their gear or don't know what gear is for.