Add ilv requirement please in ShB[Dev Request]

[Crushnight]

Done Doma and Abania just as easily at i270 too with all 3 roles.

The DEF number comparisons mean nothing without actually knowing how much damage reduction the higher numbers result in. I can tell you for a fact it's not as much as you're making it out to be.

There's a reason why Foresight is one of our weakest tank cooldowns, despite being what looks like it would be a significant boost at +20% DEF. It just doesn't stack up to the straight up damage reduction offered by other tank cooldowns.

ok lets do this:

Augmented Shire Astrometer
Class: AST
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Damage: 114 (Magical)
Delay: 3.20 Auto-Attack: 89.60
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 2
Bonuses
Vitality +184
Mind +182
Piety +138
Critical Hit Rate +97

Augmented Shire Preceptor's Belt
Class: CNJ, WHM, SCH, AST
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 119 Magic Defence: 208
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 1
Bonuses
Vitality +79
Mind +78
Critical Hit Rate +59
Spell Speed +42

Augmented Shire Preceptor's Coat
Class: CNJ, WHM, SCH, AST
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 192 Magic Defence: 336
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 2
Bonuses
Vitality +171
Mind +169
Piety +128
Spell Speed +90

Augmented Shire Preceptor's Gloves
Class: CNJ, WHM, SCH, AST
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 137 Magic Defence: 240
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 2
Bonuses
Vitality +105
Mind +104
Piety +55
Spell Speed +79

Augmented Shire Preceptor's Hat
Class: CNJ, WHM, SCH, AST
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 137 Magic Defence: 240
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 2
Bonuses
Vitality +105
Mind +104
Piety +55
Determination +76

Augmented Shire Preceptor's Hose
Class: CNJ, WHM, SCH, AST
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 192 Magic Defence: 336
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 2
Bonuses
Vitality +171
Mind +169
Critical Hit Rate +129
Determination +86

Augmented Shire Preceptor's Thighboots
Class: CNJ, WHM, SCH, AST
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 137 Magic Defence: 240
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 2
Bonuses
Vitality +105
Mind +104
Piety +79
Determination +53

Augmented Shire Preceptor's Bracelets
Class: All Classes
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 1 Magic Defence: 1
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 1
Bonuses
Mind +78
Piety +59
Critical Hit Rate +42

Augmented Shire Preceptor's Choker
Class: All Classes
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 1 Magic Defence: 1
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 1
Bonuses
Mind +78
Piety +59
Determination +40

Augmented Shire Preceptor's Earrings
Class: All Classes
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 1 Magic Defence: 1
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 1
Bonuses
Mind +78
Critical Hit Rate +42
Spell Speed +59

Augmented Shire Preceptor's Ring
Class: All Classes
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 1 Magic Defence: 1
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 1
Bonuses
Mind +78
Determination +57
Spell Speed +42

Proto Ultima Ring of Healing
Class: All Classes
Item Level: 270 Req. Level: 60
Defence: 1 Magic Defence: 1
Sells For: Unsellable Materia Slots: 1
Bonuses
Mind +78
Critical Hit Rate +59
Determination +40


so overall you would have for ilv 270
-114 weapon damage
-919 defense
-1605 magic defense
-920 vit
-1300 main stat(casters share stat weights with healers so we can measure dps too)
-1665 secondary stats

Now lets check lv 68 gear since you said were running that gear in Castrum Abania

Palladium Planisphere
Astrologian's Arm
Item Level 285
Magic Damage
122
AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Vitality +196 Mind +211 Critical Hit +142 Spell Speed +203

Twinsilk Hood of Healing
Head
Item Level 285
Defense
230
Magic Defense
402
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Vitality +112 Mind +121 Spell Speed +81 Piety +116

Gazelleskin Coat of Healing
Body
Item Level 285
Defense
322
Magic Defense
563
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Vitality +182 Mind +196 Critical Hit +188 Spell Speed +132

Gazelleskin Bracers of Healing
Hands
Item Level 285
Defense
230
Magic Defense
402
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Vitality +112 Mind +121 Spell Speed +81 Piety +116

Twinsilk Sash of Healing
Waist
Item Level 285
Defense
199
Magic Defense
348
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Vitality +84 Mind +90 Critical Hit +61 Piety +87

Twinsilk Slops of Healing
Legs
Item Level 285
Defense
322
Magic Defense
563
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Vitality +182 Mind +196 Determination +188 Piety +132

Gazelleskin Boots of Healing
Feet
Item Level 285
Defense
230
Magic Defense
402
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Vitality +112 Mind +121 Critical Hit +116 Piety +81

Molybdenum Earring of Healing
Earrings
Item Level 285
Defense
Magic Defense
1
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Mind +90 Determination +61 Spell Speed +87

Palladium Choker of Healing
Necklace
Item Level 285
Defense
1
Magic Defense
1
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Mind +90 Spell Speed +87 Piety +61

Palladium Bracelet of Healing
Bracelets
Item Level 285
Defense
1
Magic Defense
1
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Mind +90 Critical Hit +61 Piety +87

Palladium Ring of Healing
Ring
Item Level 285
Defense
1
Magic Defense
1
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Mind +90 Critical Hit +61 Piety +87

Palladium Ring of Healing
Ring
Item Level 285
Defense
1
Magic Defense
1
CNJ WHM SCH AST
Lv. 68
Bonuses
Mind +90 Critical Hit +61 Piety +87

So overall for ilv285 you have
-122 weapon damage
-1538 defense
-2685 magic defense
-980 vit
-1506 main stat
-2464 secondary stats

Now lets compare shall we overall by remaining in ilv270 gear you lose
-8 weapon damage
-619 defense
-1080 magic defense
-60 vit
-206 main stat
-799 secondary stats

All this can be carried over to caster dps as well

You were a hindrance to any party you were in with that gear in Abania and i feel sorry for anybody you were grouped with when you did it you caused unnecessary stress on your healer(when you weren't healing) and doing far weaker damage than you should have been by a significant amount 8 Weapon damage is huge, 206 main stat is huge, 799 secondary stats is huge.

[Fynlar]

Fine, was.

You see how little attention I've paid to it? That's how much it sucked.

Really though, what I did was pull up its information on a wiki, because I didn't know exactly how much DEF% it granted. Presumably, this wiki is out of date, because it makes no mention of it being a deprecated ability. Oops.

Also I haven't really played Warrior other than to XP it so there's that too

[Fynlar]

Playing devil's advocate, stats don't mean much without context behind them. They look like big numbers, but you'd be surprised how little the damage actually increases between 270-> 290 due to stat scaling. There was an old topic about this exact thing where my bf showed using the actual formulas the game uses that even though tanks get something like 1200 extra defense, it actually only works out to 10% extra mitigation and showed that player skill has more bearing than the stats. All that fancy 285 gear doesn't power creep you anywhere as much as you think.

Which yeah, given how the vast majority of dps I've encountered barely AoE or do some...interesting rotations, I wouldn't be surprised if I could obliterate the vast majority of 285 dps with 270. Stats only carry people so far, player skill matters infinitely more than them.

Bingo. All of this.

[LalaRu]

What about, if you queue a roulette not geared enough for all the duties you have unlocked, you will forfeit the roulette rewards?

[MrThinker]

What about, if you queue a roulette not geared enough for all the duties you have unlocked, you will forfeit the roulette rewards?

I agree with the concept that it would discourage people from q ing into things such as alliance roul to exploit ilvl loopholes (lvl70 purposefully wearing lvl 50 gear to pop CT raids), but there are flaws that I'm certain others would point out.

[Kuroka]

It has to be done, either its a 100% random roulett or you dont get it, end of story. There is no "but i dont wana yxz" or "but if you want [dungeon abc] this badly que directly!" its ALL or Nothing.

[LalaRu]

It has to be done, either its a 100% random roulett or you dont get it, end of story. There is no "but i dont wana yxz" or "but if you want [dungeon abc] this badly que directly!" its ALL or Nothing.

In this case, roulette need choose between ALL your unlocked duties, and if you get queued for something you are not geared enough, the confirm button needs stay greyed as it happens when you haven't the same job you queued for.

[Kuroka]

In this case, roulette need choose between ALL your unlocked duties, and if you get queued for something you are not geared enough, the confirm button needs stay greyed as it happens when you haven't the same job you queued for.

Well, all that fit the roulett you que, i dont see any problem. The system is there, just not in use/fine tuned. Que for a lv 60 dungeon with an min lvl requirement, put off some gear so youre below it, its the same as if you've swiched job.

On the same note the have to return to the need to unlock all possible duties to use it, but add an bonus for your first time clear, so its worht it (and ppl cant complain).

[Typhoria]

Because the point is not to segregate the community more than necessary.

How does this segregate anyone? 3 more roulettes means people are queueing for 3 more dungeons than they would otherwise do.

[kidalutz]

How does this segregate anyone? 3 more roulettes means people are queueing for 3 more dungeons than they would otherwise do.

No this does not equate what you are thinking. People queue for leveling roulette knowing they're going to land in a leveling dungeoun. they dont know which one thus they cannot pick and choose what area they will get you give people the choice and they will take the path of least resistance for the best reward.