Add ilv requirement please in ShB[Dev Request]

[HyoMinPark]

Honestly, I don't know why people would queue into the likes of The Vault to grind up experience, Adventurer Squadrons do it faster and for a much higher Experience Yield.

People that probably don’t know about Squadrons, don’t have them leveled high enough to do The Vault with them, or don’t care to utilize them. Personally, I would rather queue into the dungeons directly over using a Squadron—but I would never do so blatantly undergeared.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Honestly, I don't know why people would queue into the likes of The Vault to grind up experience, Adventurer Squadrons do it faster and for a much higher Experience Yield.

With Squadmates, I've beaten The Vault in augmented ironworks (plus a Sohm Ahl ring) enough times to get the full set in hopes of levelling alts to 60. That first run will always be scary because of Holy Shield Bash, but as long as you do stuff right (and the AI behaves on the final boss), it's plausible.


... now, all that said. I have no problem with an iLevel requirement, as long as it isn't so harsh that it makes it impossible to keep up.

Squadrons didn't exist when I leveled to 60. HoH didnt exist when I leveled to 70, potd didn't exist when I leveled to 50.

[Ekimmak]

People that probably don’t know about Squadrons, don’t have them leveled high enough to do The Vault with them, or don’t care to utilize them. Personally, I would rather queue into the dungeons directly over using a Squadron—but I would never do so blatantly undergeared.

Alright, fair. It's a big time investment, but it does pay off. I just wish it wasn't *such* a time investment, then they wouldn't need to bring us the Trust system to do what's already there. ... I still don't know why people who *could* do it wouldn't, since it has a higher exp yield and kill speed. You don't mass pull in levelling dungeons.

Squadrons didn't exist when I leveled to 60. HoH didnt exist when I leveled to 70, potd didn't exist when I leveled to 50.

Also a fair point. I only genuinely started chasing levelling alts when those were brought in. It's a lot easier when you don't have to balance everything at a pre-endgame level.

I'm going to happily queue into The Vault with my Squadron as soon as they're levelled enough to do so. Raising my PLD & WAR there was a truly miserable experience. I'm still not confident in my tanking abilities yet, so I'm sure I have lots of room to improve, but I have the worst luck in that place with the parties I get. So many undergeared players and bad attitudes all around.

The Vault is a mildly annoying AS dungeon without being actually terrible (Brayflox Longstop Hard is a good example of where adventurer squadrons fall apart). The ambushes will only ever be triggered by you, so if you aren't the tank, you'll have a lot of problems with all but one of the incoming adds beelining for you. Fists of Earth actually became relevant thanks to this place. I also learnt which enemies I can Engage the squadron on without them engaging on me, to ease the process.

[Kurando]

So today's patch has increased Genesis weekly gain to 900, which means players should have plenty of time (roughly over 3 months) to gear up on 390 stuff ready for ShB. Savage locks have been removed as well, so will be plenty of opportunities to avoid having too low ilvl gear moving forward.

But that's just wishful thinking....

[Crushnight]

So today's patch has increased Genesis weekly gain to 900, which means players should have plenty of time (roughly over 3 months) to gear up on 390 stuff ready for ShB. Savage locks have been removed as well, so will be plenty of opportunities to avoid having too low ilvl gear moving forward.

But that's just wishful thinking....

Very wishful thinking XD i'm afraid

[Fynlar]

It's a good thing the MSQ gives you free 240 gear to meet that item level requirement!

They didn't back when the content was more current. That was something they had to add in later as a catchup aid.

Still doesn't mean it isn't clunky as hell for the game to start letting you do a quest, only to be like "nah, never mind, you're too wimpy" when you're staring down the big bad dragon. It should just tell you outright before you even get there that you'll need more ilvl to proceed.

[Mikey_R]

Adding in a min ilevel for levelling dungeons is a good start, but I would also advocate for a minimum weapon ilevel needed for content as well. Since this is your main source of damage/healing, it is probably the most important piece that needs to be kept up to date.

It was just the other week I ended up in an expert roulette with a DPS in at least i390, but their weapon was only the i290 antiquated weapon and this was Ghimlyt Dark. Infact, you might be surprised how high your ilevel can be in full i390 and a level 1 weapon (my quick maths indicates about i330) which in theory can get you into plenty of endgame dungeons. Of course, this is an extreme example, but it still highlights potential problems (for the record, an i290 weapon hits about i350 as an average). My personal gauge for an appropriate weapon is it has to be at the minimum ilevel for the content otherwise it is inadequate, you could get away with a bit lower in most content however.

Priority should be a minimum ilevel for all dungeons and trials though, which should be the first step into trying to make levelling dungeons not as much a roulette on whether your team makes are up to the task or not.

[HyoMinPark]

Adding in a min ilevel for levelling dungeons is a good start, but I would also advocate for a minimum weapon ilevel needed for content as well. Since this is your main source of damage/healing, it is probably the most important piece that needs to be kept up to date.

I agree. A friend of mine had a tank in Xelphatol that had a level 58 weapon, and the healer in there actually defended him because “the dungeon let him in” and “tank DPS doesn’t matter”. The DPS, however, showed that having a decent weapon clearly does matter, as both were ripping off of the tank with the level 58 weapon WHILE the tank was in their tank stance AND with both DPS actively rotating Diversion (and Lucid, since one was a RDM).

When they kicked him, I offered to fill in at the behest of my friend, and the healer subsequently argued with me about how “weapons on tanks don’t matter” and “level 58 in a 60 dungeon isn’t that big of a deal”. Except when you see that the weapon was an ilvl 145 weapon in a dungeon that syncs to about ilvl 270, and you actually compare the differences between the 58 weapon and a level 260/270 weapon with regards to weapon damage and mainstat.

I don’t think people understand how the damage you deal as a tank also directly affects the enmity you accumulate. If you have high damage, you’ll generate more enmity; if you have crap damage, your enmity is going to be crap. It’s the same for healers: a shoddy weapon is going to give you shoddy heals; a stronger weapon gives you stronger heals. Honestly, though... the game should teach these sort of basic concepts.

[BlackWhirlwind]

I would like to add to this prolonged issue throughout the years I've played. Average gear item level needs to be added to the leveling dungeons along with average weapon item level. With only average item level in place people try to fudge their item levels with gear only just to meet the requirement for areas that have item level specifications.