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    wereotter's Avatar
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Faerie
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    See i beg to differ at least with ffxiv no spell is missable whereas older single player games if you didn't know an enemy had a blue mage spell and was in a 1 time area or a 1 time boss gg start over to get them all. Now every iteration of blue mage has had rng incorporated into its learning process either through rng encounters or rng learning chance, with ffxiv being an mmo it had to adopt the latter did ffxiv take some abilities too far with rng chance absolutely yes.
    Nova is the only spell I am aware of in the mainline, single-player titles that was permanently missable....

    But even if I'm wrong in that regard, farming out all the generic blue magic in other titles takes less time than it takes to get MAYBE one primal ability in FFXIV. This doesn't make for enjoyable content, at least not for me.
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    Crushnight's Avatar
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    Jets Down
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    Nova is the only spell I am aware of in the mainline, single-player titles that was permanently missable....

    But even if I'm wrong in that regard, farming out all the generic blue magic in other titles takes less time than it takes to get MAYBE one primal ability in FFXIV. This doesn't make for enjoyable content, at least not for me.
    Nova(ffX), annihilator(ffX-2) you had max 5 chances to get this per new game, Pandora's Box(FF7) due to a bug you only get 1 shot when fighting your 1st Zombie dragon, Trine(FF7) only 3 bosses have this skill. Rest of the series they've been good at not making them missable but if you miss early game abilities you have to jump through hoops to get them like the level abilities in ffV if you get to lv 99(at that point you are overkill but you know can happen) or goblin punch in ff9 wait too long and you got to go after a rare mob encounter.

    FFXIV has gone overboard with the rng chance to learn i'm just glad once you know location of ability it never moves or up to chance to face it and up to chance(as in completely random there is no set way it will use the ability you want even if you wait 100 turns) the ai uses said ability (scripted ai does have its benefits at times :P)
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    X'lota Qi
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    Lamia
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    Nova(ffX), annihilator(ffX-2) you had max 5 chances to get this per new game, Pandora's Box(FF7) due to a bug you only get 1 shot when fighting your 1st Zombie dragon, Trine(FF7) only 3 bosses have this skill. Rest of the series they've been good at not making them missable but if you miss early game abilities you have to jump through hoops to get them like the level abilities in ffV if you get to lv 99(at that point you are overkill but you know can happen) or goblin punch in ff9 wait too long and you got to go after a rare mob encounter.

    FFXIV has gone overboard with the rng chance to learn i'm just glad once you know location of ability it never moves or up to chance to face it and up to chance(as in completely random there is no set way it will use the ability you want even if you wait 100 turns) the ai uses said ability (scripted ai does have its benefits at times :P)
    There was no RNG chance to learn in 5,7,or 9. If you did what needed to be done you got it (other than bugs). It should be more about figuring out what to do, not hoping for a rare drop.
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    Physic's Avatar
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    Bladed Arms
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    Balmung
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    Monk Lv 70
    the skill drop rate is too low, and the content is super boring if you are doing it effeciently (with level 70 carriers) Getting skills should be a short term goal, and the difficulty could match the skill. It shouldnt take a level synced group more than 10 tries to unlock the skill, with the average being 5 tries. They should develop some other content/purpose to give blu reason to play the job outside of skills and carnivale
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Zalera
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Fair enough. Honestly, I can tell I may have made a mistake not trying to push through it all in that first week as well. I don't think it'll still be all that hard getting groups together for stuff, but at the same time, now that the rush is over, holding groups together or sticking with them for the whole grind just feels like torture.
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    Anarnee's Avatar
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    Thyn'a Sindyrl
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    Siren
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    I have a feeling maybe they'll buff the drops when BLU gets bumped to 60?

    I hope at least.
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    Crushnight's Avatar
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    Jets Down
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarnee View Post
    I have a feeling maybe they'll buff the drops when BLU gets bumped to 60?

    I hope at least.
    can hope too i also hope Blus can solo all ARR content by then as well
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