sync should be reworked

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

sync should be reworked so that when it syncs your level down you do not loes abilitys they just get synced to that level.

[Krojack]

I feel like it's much harder to balance around this. This is one reason the timewalking dungeons in WoW are so horribly balanced. They are either to hard to to easy.

I'm perfectly fine with how it is.

[Astrus]

We've had this discussion a couple of times, there is no consensus.
You'll invariably annoy either the camp who wants to do their full rotation and do the same damage as the unsynced player who only has 3 skills or the camp who doesn't want to put in additional work for the same payoff.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

We've had this discussion a couple of times, there is no consensus.
You'll invariably annoy either the camp who wants to do their full rotation and do the same damage as the unsynced player who only has 3 skills or the camp who doesn't want to put in additional work for the same payoff.

we had to work to get those abilitys so ya we should gave that benfit over someone who isn't synced

[Paladinleeds]

we had to work to get those abilitys so ya we should gave that benfit over someone who isn't synced

Then Square Enix are gonna balance it that you have to do the full rotation for the same amount of damage as the one without all the abilities. You'd be working harder for near enough no gain. Which doesn't work. IMO it's far fairer to all players to do it. And no, people have mentioned plenty times before why the WoW system doesn't work. If I'm synced down, I prefer having the limited abilities. If I remember rightly, lore-wise you're doing an "Echo" recollection of it, which is why you get synced down. Unsynced was added as an option to allow people to do ex primal farms easier from previous expansions (though ironically it makes some of them a bit more of a problem due to insane damage differences and their insta-wipe %HP mechs). So I'm afraid I disagree with your statement, and thus if you want to use your abilities, either unsync the dungeon (if you're helping a friend or want something from the dungeon, current expansion dungeons notwithstanding as they can't be unsynced), or accept the loss in abilities. SE will just see unsynced as the compromise there and to be perfectly frank, I agree with their compromise.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

Then Square Enix are gonna balance it that you have to do the full rotation for the same amount of damage as the one without all the abilities. You'd be working harder for near enough no gain. Which doesn't work. IMO it's far fairer to all players to do it. And no, people have mentioned plenty times before why the WoW system doesn't work. If I'm synced down, I prefer having the limited abilities. If I remember rightly, lore-wise you're doing an "Echo" recollection of it, which is why you get synced down. Unsynced was added as an option to allow people to do ex primal farms easier from previous expansions (though ironically it makes some of them a bit more of a problem due to insane damage differences and their insta-wipe %HP mechs). So I'm afraid I disagree with your statement, and thus if you want to use your abilities, either unsync the dungeon (if you're helping a friend or want something from the dungeon, current expansion dungeons notwithstanding as they can't be unsynced), or accept the loss in abilities. SE will just see unsynced as the compromise there and to be perfectly frank, I agree with their compromise.

no all they would have 2 is scale and sync potency for your abilitys your still be doing more with full rotation either that or unsync runs need to reward exp and items the same

[Penthea]

no all they would have 2 is scale and sync potency for your abilitys your still be doing more with full rotation either that or unsync runs need to reward exp and items the same

It seems you don't recall how quickly things can die in low lvl instances. A lot of things die before you could do a full high lvl rotation.

Also some abilities would trivialise content. They're designed with a specific availability of abilities in mind. Some stuff would be simply op in low lvl content. That wouldn't make it more interesting. It's boring when things are too easy.

[Paladinleeds]

no all they would have 2 is scale and sync potency for your abilitys your still be doing more with full rotation either that or unsync runs need to reward exp and items the same

Actually, unsync does reward items from chests the same. That's the compromise, and I don't want SE budging on that. Ex primals had their drops all moved to chests so you could get them all unsynced. And unsync wouldn't be fair to give xp for as it doesn't make the enemies stronger to compensate (and they won't do that as the whole point behind unsync is to allow you to cheese stuff, as well as try unique challenges with lesser party member count). And if they synced abilities down to do more damage than doing someone without those abilities, people will get kicked from duties etc. In essence, Square Enix aren't going to change this and I don't want them to. I like the idea of losing my abilities when I sync down, that's what I prefer. And I still have that option. If you want your abilities still, unsync is there as an option for you, though you won't get XP. And if you try and say "Well, what about practicing your rotation in these duties", I point to you to training dummies, Stone Sea Sky, and dungeons of the level you're wanting to practice the rotation in. But if they put in your way, then we'd all be forced to go that way (since they won't split DF queues based on sync type, they'd just go to one type). People who want all their abilities already have that option. But your way, because of how SE would handle DF, would remove the option for those who like losing their abilities.

It seems you don't recall how quickly things can die in low lvl instances. A lot of things die before you could do a full high lvl rotation.

Also some abilities would trivialise content. They're designed with a specific availability of abilities in mind. Some stuff would be simply op in low lvl content. That wouldn't make it more interesting. It's boring when things are too easy.

Both of these points are accurate too.

(from the perspective of a new player) it would be really awesome to go into a Dungeon and see all those skills Like Passage, IR, blahblah

You can always unsync it in order to showcase the abilities, or even do it in the overworld, so there's ways and means there too!

[PyurBlue]

It seems you don't recall how quickly things can die in low lvl instances. A lot of things die before you could do a full high lvl rotation.

Low or high level, it's not all that different. Even in current 70 and expert dungeons, good DPS will be able to kill mobs very quickly. If damage is scaled correctly then level 15 will still feel nearly the same as level 70.

Also some abilities would trivialise content. They're designed with a specific availability of abilities in mind. Some stuff would be simply op in low lvl content. That wouldn't make it more interesting. It's boring when things are too easy.

Which abilities? The most influential might be party wide buffs as they would combine to scale total party damage higher than intended, but these buffs can just be scaled down or capped. AoE abilities don't really make a difference so long as any AoE is available at a given level, an this is the case. THM for example can use AoE from Sastasha. High DPS abilities don't change anything if they're scaled down.

[Penthea]

Which abilities? The most influential might be party wide buffs as they would combine to scale total party damage higher than intended, but these buffs can just be scaled down or capped. AoE abilities don't really make a difference so long as any AoE is available at a given level, an this is the case. THM for example can use AoE from Sastasha. High DPS abilities don't change anything if they're scaled down.

Party-wide dps buffs can make an enormous difference in party dps. Can you imagine stacking embolden, with ast cards and bard songs together in the likes of Copperbell Mines? Stuff dies fast enough there as it is without all of that. Then couple that with the additional dps tools tanks and healers would have. Healer aoe can be very potent, especially from a whm.

Then there's all the defensive tools tanks would have. They would need virtually no healing on bosses because the fights are so short they could just chain all their defensive abilities. And they would be even shorter than they are now for the above reasons.

All this would just result in players chain pulling trash into bosses to make it interesting, because playing normally would be boring due to being op. I already experienced that in WoW due to very badly balanced content. It's hilarious at first but it gets old really fast. I don't miss it. I prefer playing content as it is intended to be played than to be so powerful that any stupid thing I press makes things fall over.