Unique Mounts for every job please

[Penthea]

They would need to because why would a DPS main want to bother going through the DF grind for the Tank mounts when they can get a bunch of mounts from playing their DPS classes?

It's not even working now anyway. Tanks are still a minority compared to dps. The carrot on the stick will never be enough for many players to tank. Some won't ever tank no matter what reward they can get. This is a poor argument for favouring certain classes for mount rewards, especially when the rewards are all different so it's not like you can cheese it out by playing as another role to get the reward intended for another.

Scholar: Fairy wings

I'm quite tired of fairies being the default thing to represent sch. I'd prefer something related to Nym, the city-state where the sch discipline originated from.

But I do agree all classes should have access to their own unique mounts.

[Kalise]

It's not even working now anyway. Tanks are still a minority compared to dps. The carrot on the stick will never be enough for many players to tank. Some won't ever tank no matter what reward they can get. This is a poor argument for favouring certain classes for mount rewards, especially when the rewards are all different so it's not like you can cheese it out by playing as another role to get the reward intended for another.

Whether or not it works or not is irrelevant.

This is the current reasoning for the implementation of "Class Mounts", with CNJ's Unicorn being the exception. Thus, it's unlikely that they will add more class mounts unless they create new rewards to entice players to Tank in DF much like the current Tank mounts try to incentivize.

If anything, the fact that Tanks are still in the minority in DF even despite this enticement signals that they're even less likely to consider adding more class mounts before adding a new reward, rather than being more inclined to add other class mounts because the current implementation is not having as large an impact as desired.

Again, this isn't me being anti-class mount, as I've mentioned, I'd love to see a bunch of class mounts. I'm just being realistic in terms of the likelyhood of such a thing happening. Unless they go all out and give the Tank classes new class mounts in addition to the ones from the DF grind achievements, but then you'd still be able to complain about favouring certain classes for mount rewards.

As such, the most logical thing would be to replace the rewards from the Tank achievements for something else desirable (But then you'd get complaints about favouring certain classes for X, Y or Z rewards now...)

I mean I'd love to see things like:

A cool, new, unique personal airship for Machinist.

A cool summon for SMN (Perhaps one of XIII's "Summons are also vehicles because why not" things?)

Maybe Bard could get a pair of angelic wings as a Cupid reference?

Astrologian could get a mount made out of celestial patterns (Much like WoW's "Celestial Steed")

I just don't know if it's likely to happen.

[Penthea]

Whether or not it works or not is irrelevant.

This is the current reasoning for the implementation of "Class Mounts", with CNJ's Unicorn being the exception. Thus, it's unlikely that they will add more class mounts unless they create new rewards to entice players to Tank in DF much like the current Tank mounts try to incentivize.

Yes it is relevant because you're using incentive rewards as an argument to not introduce more class mounts. If the incentive doesn't work then your argument falls. You are contradicting yourself by saying it's irrelevant.

If anything, the fact that Tanks are still in the minority in DF even despite this enticement signals that they're even less likely to consider adding more class mounts before adding a new reward, rather than being more inclined to add other class mounts because the current implementation is not having as large an impact as desired.

Unless SE grant an insane and useful reward for tanking such as a free house or millions of gil, nothing will ever have the desired impact. No cosmetic rewards, especially when they're just a skin of a feature everyone already has access to, will ever noticeably increase the tank population. No matter how cool a thing looks there will always be a lot of people who don't think it's worth the stress of tanking.

So if it doesn't work why punish all the other classes by not letting them have unique mounts as well?

Again, this isn't me being anti-class mount, as I've mentioned, I'd love to see a bunch of class mounts. I'm just being realistic in terms of the likelyhood of such a thing happening.

The likelihood on it happening probably hinges far more on the amount of time and money SE would have to spend designing so many new mounts than whether or not they are concerned if adding more class mounts would somehow reduce the tank population or the incentive to tank. I don't know about you but I have literally never heard of anyone who took up tanking just because they wanted a specific mount. I haven't even heard of anyone playing cnj just for the unicorn. Not saying it doesn't happen but it's definitely not common.

[Kalise]

Yes it is relevant because you're using incentive rewards as an argument to not introduce more class mounts. If the incentive doesn't work then your argument falls. You are contradicting yourself by saying it's irrelevant.

It is not a contradiction to say its irrelevant.

The entire reason for "Class" mounts to exist is purely to get more Tanks into DF. That is why they are locked behind achievements on said Tanks to play in DF.

Whether or not this has a notable effect on the number of players who opt to play Tank instead of DPS/Healer is irrelevant because it doesn't change the fact that they exist purely to try and get more people playing Tanks.

Unless SE grant an insane and useful reward for tanking such as a free house or millions of gil, nothing will ever have the desired impact. No cosmetic rewards, especially when they're just a skin of a feature everyone already has access to, will ever noticeably increase the tank population. No matter how cool a thing looks there will always be a lot of people who don't think it's worth the stress of tanking.

But at the same time, they're not going to remove an incentive to play Tank just because it's not a big enough draw for some people to play Tank.

Like, the fact that the current rewards only require you to grind out a certain number of Roulettes, means that once you're done, you're free to never play said Tank again in your life. Which ultimately means it doesn't affect the Tank population outside of the slight increase of Tanks in DF during the period when people are grinding these achievements out.

As it stands, class mounts are limited only to ones that promote playing Tank in DF and CNJ's Unicorn. It's unlikely that this will change even if the Tank ones aren't making a bunch of people swap over to being Tank mains. Especially given how half of the achievements can actually be done by soloing level 50 trials as a Tank class (I recently got an achievement when I was running EX Trials for the ARR Ponies for example)

So if it doesn't work why punish all the other classes by not letting them have unique mounts as well?

So your solution is to now punish Tanks?

Given that they would have to grind out DF while Tanking to obtain their class mounts while everyone else gets to not have to do this for theirs?

The likelihood on it happening probably hinges far more on the amount of time and money SE would have to spend designing so many new mounts than whether or not they are concerned if adding more class mounts would somehow reduce the tank population or the incentive to tank. I don't know about you but I have literally never heard of anyone who took up tanking just because they wanted a specific mount. I haven't even heard of anyone playing cnj just for the unicorn. Not saying it doesn't happen but it's definitely not common.

Just because people don't take up tanking/CNJ for a specific mount doesn't preclude the reasoning that they have added the Tank mounts for a specific reason, which is to help with DF queues.

It's very likely that Gunbreaker will also get a mount for grinding out DF content too, because it's a further way to entice people, if only temporarily, to play Tank to improve DF queues.

As far as the time and money into developing new mounts... It's not as if SE don't already put aside time and money to implement new mounts. It's also not as if they'd need to add in mounts for all 11 jobs at the same time either, they could just add them when they feel that their idea is worth adding to the game and then create a way to obtain them in the game (Such as something as feeble as the Unicorn quest)

I mean, they added in the CNJ mount years ago. SCH and AST have never gotten a mount, even though healers are also a fairly underpopulated role for DF too. Logically if they didn't care about whether or not people were incentivized to play Tank in DF they'd have at the very least added some WHM/SCH/AST mounts to entice people into playing healer in DF too, if not just remove the Tank mounts from their achievements and stick them into the Achievement/Veteran vendor place.

[Penthea]

So your solution is to now punish Tanks?

Given that they would have to grind out DF while Tanking to obtain their class mounts while everyone else gets to not have to do this for theirs?

Oh come on. How is giving other classes unique mounts punishing tanks? May as well start saying letting all classes have access to unique gear punishes tanks.

[Novak_04]

So if it doesn't work why punish all the other classes by not letting them have unique mounts as well?

How is not getting something that you already don't have, or were never promised, a punishment? You know the meaning of the word, right? It's something you want, but SE has never even mentioned it was a thought.... that doesn't make it a punishment. Are you this dramatic IRL?

And to say the incentive doesn't work is rather ignorant thing to say -- I literally started tanking to get the Bear mount. I'm also leveling up my Paladin and my Dark Knight so I can farm out the Lion and Panther as well.

I honestly feel that giving everyone a job-specific mount would increase the queue times in duty finder. You'd have everyone and their mom gunning for that new Summoner mount, or Red Mage mount, or Ninja mount, or [insert job with the least responsibility here] mount. Meanwhile, the tank queues would remain exactly how they are right now.

I'm glad that only tanks get these job-specific mounts and I hope it stays that way.

[Arrhin]

Yes! Although I want Eos as my mount, she does carry me alot O-O *Keels over dying of laughter*

[TheMightyMollusk]

Ninja: Hellfrog Medium mount.

[Bonbori]

For Machinist, I would accept nothing short of a Mustadio-style gundam.

Gunbreaker obviously needs Regula's Ceruleum Tiger.

And Bard... since their music-magic is so deeply connected to moogles... a giant pom?

[SigmaOZ]

Fairy Wings approved, please look forward to it!...