It makes zero sense for the PLD class to have three different skills for AoE

[Kalise]

Asking to generate more gauge with an aoe skill, with you already do by shorten the recast of infuriate with decimate and steel, means increase the number of decimate/steel cyclone per second that have pretty high potency already, so it will increase WAR dps on mass pulling equal of the amount of decimates you will gain on the same window of time and the extra dps gain by using constantly aoe skills instead of combos to generate more gauge.

Unless there was some sort of new expansion that would reshuffle skills and DPS outputs based on new skills and the like that could increase this functionality without it impacting overall DPS output.

Hmmm... If only there was such a thing coming out soon...

No, better just cry some more about WAR's.

[shao32]

Unless there was some sort of new expansion that would reshuffle skills and DPS outputs based on new skills and the like that could increase this functionality without it impacting overall DPS output.

Hmmm... If only there was such a thing coming out soon...

No, better just cry some more about WAR's.

Dev's show they concerns about tank dps, so you should take this seriously, what are you asking is have more sustained resource generation, thats ok but you have to be aware for a job so heavily build on burst windows will have to get potency reduction for some if not all his aoe skills to compensate that in 5.0, i don't consider WAR/tanks in general need more aoe damage at all since everything dies to quick already, only PLD as much need some extra dps to be more equal to the rest.

[Shurrikhan]

AoE tanking almost always happens in short bursts, unless your dps are asleep.

Yet you don't want to siphon any of Warrior's AoE power from their burst into their sustain?

If you haven't noticed from Kalise's posts you've already responded to by now, there's rarely anything suggested explicitly at no cost to capacity to balance out the adjustment unless a job or some capacity therein is specifically undertuned. We're going into a new expansion; if someone makes a suggestion for gameplay that would increase, say, sustain, the base assumption would be that something else is being rebalanced to compensate (e.g. Warrior's herp-derp spam the Decimate AoE burst).

You've been given a suggestion that would almost certainly favor the same trajectory you apparently prefer (curtailing WAR's insane burst AoE), yet you instead use the opportunity solely to lecture the poster on the evils of Warrior as it stands now (at the brink of an expansion) and to snidely discredit them... Hmm.

[shao32]

DRK aoe is consider better for the self-healing and mitigation it offers at the same time if you do it properly not for the damage witch WAR is superior easily specially since the encounters don't live more that 2 min and they have plenty strong CDs, so its mostly an illusion of being extremly good bcs feels and looks strong but they are more comparable that ppl thinks, DRK sustain himself better and WAR burn everything faster before that become a problem, and I don't think WAR need generate gauge when every time they use a gauge skill (except onslaught and upheaval) reduce the cast of infuriate already.

About OP I believe PLD need more aoe options, even a magic one that works with requiem cast like a direct upgrade of flash under requiem or something, his damage and aoe combinations are too basic and low to feel good to play with it at least for me.

[Khalithar]

I want Flash to get upgraded to Holiest of Holy in sbr.

[marquoise]

I want Flash to get upgraded to Holiest of Holy in sbr.

I love that idea. I was honestly thinking Flash really needed to go, its hardly used at all anymore. Here's hoping the promised PLD rework switches things up.

[Windwalker]

I want Flash to get upgraded to Holiest of Holy in sbr.

Yeah, would been sweet if they upgraded all the old abilities when you unlock the job would make it feel more special, feels weird to be using old gladiator skills and whatnot. I liked the upgrades of the summoner skills

[Daniolaut]

I personally don’t believe in ability bloat.

But flash is the worst action in the game.

It looks bad, it sounds bad, it has the worst enmity gain, and does 0 damage.

While the blind is a nice aspect, that’s literally all it has going for it.

Please stop trying to play the game with1 hotbar though. I play on gamepad and have many empty slots, I also repeat “shield lob” and other actions on multiple hot bars, use all actions, and yes still have empty slots....

Why do people try to jam actions into just 2 bars and then refuse to limit break will always be beyond my comprehension. But hey I don’t pay your sub.




Edit:

Just to help clarify, If I removed the actions that are on my second hotbar off, that are on my first one... My second hotbar would have 6 empty slots, my third hot bar currently has 7 empty slots if I remove sustaining potions (used in Palace of the dead) and my role ability hot bar has 7 empty slots, which also has on it limit break and sprint.

So please. People. Stop trying to jam all your actions onto just 1-2 hot bars. Its really not dificult to cycle between 3 hot bars.... Then pressing R1+Square to switch to a role/general hot bar.

If you're a keyboard user having issues, try switching to gamepad? I thought keyboard was supposed to be "superior" anyway?

[CarnivalNights]

I personally don’t believe in ability bloat.

But flash is the worst action in the game.

It looks bad, it sounds bad, it has the worst enmity gain, and does 0 damage.

While the blind is a nice aspect, that’s literally all it has going for it.

Please stop trying to play the game with1 hotbar though. I play on gamepad and have many empty slots, I also repeat “shield lob” and other actions on multiple hot bars, use all actions, and yes still have empty slots....

Why do people try to jam actions into just 2 bars and then refuse to limit break will always be beyond my comprehension. But hey I don’t pay your sub.




Edit:

Just to help clarify, If I removed the actions that are on my second hotbar off, that are on my first one... My second hotbar would have 6 empty slots, my third hot bar currently has 7 empty slots if I remove sustaining potions (used in Palace of the dead) and my role ability hot bar has 7 empty slots, which also has on it limit break and sprint.

So please. People. Stop trying to jam all your actions onto just 1-2 hot bars. Its really not dificult to cycle between 3 hot bars.... Then pressing R1+Square to switch to a role/general hot bar.

If you're a keyboard user having issues, try switching to gamepad? I thought keyboard was supposed to be "superior" anyway?

I actually use every hotbar available, that doesn't change the fact about what I'm addressing in the thread.

Also, what's with the unnecessary rant that ended up coming off as pretentious and presumptuous? Limit Break? Pay my sub? Keyboard being superior? What?

[347SPECTRE]

I personally don’t believe in ability bloat.

But flash is the worst action in the game.

It looks bad, it sounds bad, it has the worst enmity gain, and does 0 damage.

While the blind is a nice aspect, that’s literally all it has going for it.

Please stop trying to play the game with1 hotbar though. I play on gamepad and have many empty slots, I also repeat “shield lob” and other actions on multiple hot bars, use all actions, and yes still have empty slots....

Why do people try to jam actions into just 2 bars and then refuse to limit break will always be beyond my comprehension. But hey I don’t pay your sub.




Edit:

Just to help clarify, If I removed the actions that are on my second hotbar off, that are on my first one... My second hotbar would have 6 empty slots, my third hot bar currently has 7 empty slots if I remove sustaining potions (used in Palace of the dead) and my role ability hot bar has 7 empty slots, which also has on it limit break and sprint.

So please. People. Stop trying to jam all your actions onto just 1-2 hot bars. Its really not dificult to cycle between 3 hot bars.... Then pressing R1+Square to switch to a role/general hot bar.

If you're a keyboard user having issues, try switching to gamepad? I thought keyboard was supposed to be "superior" anyway?

You can actually have up to 48 skills on controller without having to switch hotbars using the L+R buttons and the wCross hotbars.