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  1. #51
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    Nora_of_Mira's Avatar
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    Nora Origo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lozza View Post
    Because back in ARR all MMOs on Steam worked in such a way that you didn't need to run Steam to use them. In fact until HW was released for pre order it wasn't even known that people who bought ARR on Steam would be locked into buying HW on Steam. They literally sent an email out two weeks after pre-orders went live for HW to say oh if you are a Steam user you need to wait for pre order on Steam, which didn't start for another couple of months.
    I do vaguely remember this because right before HW started, I was forced into making a new service account (former service account was shut down because I used the steam refund policy. dont do that.) I must've made both accounts in steam to even use the steam refund policy, but I do remember specifically them telling me that I had to purchase the steam HW expansion in order to play HW. I never really felt locked in or imprisoned, I LIKE Steam and what it does. Though I can't say I've experienced the Auth Servers as I never played another Steam MMO longer than a day or 2. they never kept my attention...I hope this downtime is not as bad as it sounds.
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by szalkerous View Post
    Square Enix apparently has no knowledge of how poor the Steam client is.

    The majority of your users avoid the client because of this.

    By making the change announced today, you are sentencing your entire userbase of gamers who are forced to remain on Steam into a nightmare of performance problems and issues. The Steam overlay built into the client alone has caused massive issues with many users.

    As a result of this change, I hereby demand we be given a one-time ability to trade in our Steam keys for Square Enix direct Windows platform keys on our accounts.
    Good luck with this. You made the decision to buy from a third party platform.... they owe you nothing.
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  3. #53
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    Fu Soya
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    Double post
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    Last edited by DBriggs304; 03-08-2019 at 11:06 PM. Reason: Double post (I hate phones with auto correct, lol)

  4. #54
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    I've never had a problem with the steam client playing with ESO, but I do hate that the games are solely through the client. I have always bought FF either retail or directly.
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    Scholar Lv 36
    Holy cow, I'm glad I actually have the standard version despite launching from steam. I guess I might have to re-download the game again.
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    Sythen Elexia
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    I disagree with this change, but if its to keep the game on steam, i can understand why they are doing it. But please, give us the option to move our steam only pc accounts to normal pc, i think most of us that are signing this wont mind loosing out on using the steam wallet for payments. At least give us the option please.
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  7. #57
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    Dal S'ta
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    I suspect that the new policy is a requirement from Valve (after all, they did it with ESO). As for conversion -- it may not be possible due to contracts with Valve for distribution. I wish you all well in this.
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  8. #58
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    Lunataria Carreing
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    I was gifted this game through Steam in ARR to try out, I loved it, so I stayed. I've never used the steam client log in except when I found out that I cannot use anything else to buy expansions, which by that time, I had an established character and didn't want to give that up and start all over. I had no choice about it though, if I wanted to save my character and the time I spent. Now if my options are using a Steam client to log on, effectively relying on Steam servers AND Square too, if there are problems, I'm not investing more time in this game. I already did not like going through Steam to buy expansions. If I have to fight with it, then I guess I'll be done this time. (say what you want, drop in the bucket, no one cares, leave then..every expansion I have to fight with this game, I won't do it everyday to log in and HOPE that I can actually play)
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    Last edited by LaurieB; 03-08-2019 at 11:36 PM.

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    Chipping in to generally agree with the proposal.

    Having originally bought ARR for my friends on steam due to a special, I've always felt a bit cheated. If I knew SE would completely lock your account to Steam for life I would've avoided it at all costs.
    Since they're doubling down on this difference I can only assume the downsides will only increase from here on.

    If they offered a one-time account conversion my friends would use it immediately, paid or otherwise.


    Quote Originally Posted by Novak_04 View Post
    Good luck with this. You made the decision to buy from a third party platform.... they owe you nothing.
    Also nonsense like this helps no-one. You can buy an FFXIV from multiple third party vendors, but only Steam will get you burned. Stop licking the boot.
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    isnt it messed up that goblet is a housing area and not a tiny goblin
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    steam version is awful for so many reasons and i regret having it

    id pay for a conversion if i can
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