Akatsuki?

[IveraIvalice]

Well power kinda is the point of SMN in terms of varying utility.

I just hope SE doesn't screw petjobs over.

Every other aspect of this game is QQd over and demanded to be quality.

Petjobs get shafted often: which sucks because they have a lot to offer to party dynamics which means better battle content.

Just want something that works. I loved PUP, BST, and SMN. But out of the three SMN honestly got shafted hard because SE made that stupid perpetuation cost BS.

Thats the type of BS that needs to be avoided.

I'm by no means saying that petjobs should be OP. I agree that bslancing makes sense but not when it forces us to be subpar PUP, BST tanks/DDs or SMN buff/support/damage.

These jobs can still maintain their unique gameplay mechanics without being subjected to social exclusion.

Cause lets be real: the fun party of a job/class is How you play it differently than another.

Thats the fun of it all: seeing all that uniqueness come together in a challenging battle system and feeling accomplished for doing so well as a uniquely skilked team.

i completely agree, i've been waiting for smn since the game came out and its sickening to think that se can ruin what made smn a classic and big part of the ff games. they have always summoned the classic aeons like titan, ifrit, shiva. why would they ruin that now. i dont care if smn's will be able to summon some little thing that i dont care about, its not the same without the classics. and to think that some dragoon or some warrior will be able to summon ifrit while im in the background playing with my fire elemental or whatever they have me summon, is just stupid.
i dont care if its on a crazy grand scale, in ffxi it made sense that you were summoning just a part of it and not the actual thing. bring that back! at least it will feel like a ff game for a SUMMONER to summon an aeon.
i thought we were moving away from this "everyone will be able to do everything" kind of gameplay when speciallized jobs came out but i guess not.
if se is gonna crush classic summoner lovers then at least give us some good news and not just drop bombs on us everywhere. all i ever here is summoner wont be able to do this, or that

[Rydin]

i dont care if smn's will be able to summon some little thing that i dont care about

hurtful much?

[Andrien]

i completely agree, i've been waiting for smn since the game came out and its sickening to think that se can ruin what made smn a classic and big part of the ff games. they have always summoned the classic aeons like titan, ifrit, shiva. why would they ruin that now. i dont care if smn's will be able to summon some little thing that i dont care about, its not the same without the classics. and to think that some dragoon or some warrior will be able to summon ifrit while im in the background playing with my fire elemental or whatever they have me summon, is just stupid.
i dont care if its on a crazy grand scale, in ffxi it made sense that you were summoning just a part of it and not the actual thing. bring that back! at least it will feel like a ff game for a SUMMONER to summon an aeon.
i thought we were moving away from this "everyone will be able to do everything" kind of gameplay when speciallized jobs came out but i guess not.
if se is gonna crush classic summoner lovers then at least give us some good news and not just drop bombs on us everywhere. all i ever here is summoner wont be able to do this, or that

Do you know how many different types of summons exist?

Primal, Espers, Aeons, Eidolons, Avatars, Guardian Forces.

Primals are the classic godlike summons in FFXIV (Titan, Ifrit, Shiva, etc etc). Lets keep them godlike powerful ya? I don't want them to be nerf down and see like 20 Ifrits on the screen. lol

[IveraIvalice]

Do you know how many different types of summons exist?

Primal, Espers, Aeons, Eidolons, Avatars, Guardian Forces.

Primals are the classic godlike summons in FFXIV (Titan, Ifrit, Shiva, etc etc). Lets keep them godlike powerful ya? I don't want them to be nerf down and see like 20 Ifrits on the screen. lol

those are all just different names given in different games, there all the same thing.
and ffxi had you just summon a fraction of the gods power, are you gonna tell me that doesnt make sense and that the actual avatars were nerfed? no, there was still a prime fight and you just summoned a small part of them as a summoner.
besides does anyone question how theres an easy ifrit fight right now? isnt that a nerfed version of ifrit?
i think the real issue is having multiple summons on screen, which doesnt bother me at all.
i would rather summon titan then summon carbuncle.
carbuncles not bad but how could every summoner fan not want the classics and be happy with just carbuncle.

[Andrien]

those are all just different names given in different games, there all the same thing.
and ffxi had you just summon a fraction of the gods power, are you gonna tell me that doesnt make sense and that the actual avatars were nerfed? no, there was still a prime fight and you just summoned a small part of them as a summoner.
besides does anyone question how theres an easy ifrit fight right now? isnt that a nerfed version of ifrit?
i think the real issue is having multiple summons on screen, which doesnt bother me at all.
i would rather summon titan then summon carbuncle.
carbuncles not bad but how could every summoner fan not want the classics and be happy with just carbuncle.

C'mon now get serious. I can solo those prime fights in FFXI. Summoner can even solo it at Lv20.
FYI: The Easy version of Ifrit can still kill Lv50s with Hell Fire.

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I would much rather see Ifrit as powerful as he is. The weather changes and everyone everywhere will know somebody has summoned him. You know in most single player final fantasy games anyone can summon.

With that said there is a lot more summon beast summoners can use exclusively in FFXIV from all the other final fantasy games.

[IveraIvalice]

C'mon now get serious. I can solo those prime fights in FFXI. Summoner can even solo it at Lv20.
FYI: The Easy version of Ifrit can still kill Lv50s with Hell Fire.

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I would much rather see Ifrit as powerful as he is. The weather changes and everyone everywhere will know somebody has summoned him. You know in most single player final fantasy games anyone can summon.

With that said there is a lot more summon beast summoners can use exclusively in FFXIV from all the other final fantasy games.

perhaps, i dont disagree it would be on a much grander scale, however the lack of summoner information makes the thought of anyone being able to summon a primal, very unappealing.
until there is some good news about the summoner job i will continue to be against this
in the very least i am against the idea that a simple card is used to summon him. it should at least be some magical item like an orb or a soul piece or something

[Narfalicious]

perhaps, i dont disagree it would be on a much grander scale, however the lack of summoner information makes the thought of anyone being able to summon a primal, very unappealing.
until there is some good news about the summoner job i will continue to be against this
in the very least i am against the idea that a simple card is used to summon him. it should at least be some magical item like an orb or a soul piece or something

Soul card then if it makes you feel better.

[IveraIvalice]

excuse my rage in the recent posts but ive been waiting for summoner since day 1 and i cant see what to look forward too if my favorite job is gonna be crap.
the real issue with me isnt even that a summoner cant summon a primal because i can understand its a god.
the issue is that anyone regardless of job will be able to summon one because they have a card??
it would have made more sense if a group of summoners with actual summoning magic were strong enough to summon him
but if a war, lnc, arc, and gld can just summon a primal because they have a card, thats stupid and i feel like it belittles the summoner job
its like "oh yeah? you learned how to summon creatures with magic and practiced that as your job? well i can summon something better then you ever could and and all i ever learned how to do is swing a sword"

[Rydin]

excuse my rage in the recent posts but ive been waiting for summoner since day 1 and i cant see what to look forward too if my favorite job is gonna be crap.
the real issue with me isnt even that a summoner cant summon a primal because i can understand its a god.
the issue is that anyone regardless of job will be able to summon one because they have a card??
it would have made more sense if a group of summoners with actual summoning magic were strong enough to summon him
but if a war, lnc, arc, and gld can just summon a primal because they have a card, thats stupid and i feel like it belittles the summoner job
its like "oh yeah? you learned how to summon creatures with magic and practiced that as your job? well i can summon something better then you ever could and and all i ever learned how to do is swing a sword"

I understand your sentiments.. but even without primals.. maybe Summoner will still have epicness....
Bahamut could be a summon and not a Primal...
Carbuncle might not do damage but could be instrumental in some of the fights down the line
at this point we don't know anything

[IveraIvalice]

I understand your sentiments.. but even without primals.. maybe Summoner will still have epicness....
Bahamut could be a summon and not a Primal...
Carbuncle might not do damage but could be instrumental in some of the fights down the line
at this point we don't know anything

i agree it could still be cool, but the lack of information on the summoner job is upsetting.
as of now all we really know is what it cant do and theres no reassuring information
if this is not clear enough i would like to request some information on the summoner job from the devs