Akatsuki?

[Molly_Millions]

It's quite Simple, They will probably put up a cap in regards to how many cards a free company can hold, my guess is probably just one. Also, they will probably set a timer on the cards where if it is not used after X amount of time, the primal breaks free from your control and you lose the card.

If they don't add these rules then it will be quite stupid because one day a bunch of trolls will decide to keep their cards for months just to mess with people.

EDIT: Another cool idea would be stealing cards from free companies. They could make it possible through PVP where when a free company that hold a card is defeated by another free company then they lose that card. Which i know won't happen if that company doesn't do any PVP unless they are forced to somehow but they can also come up with different ways of giving you the option of snatching cards from companies that hold them, ways that may not involve PVP that is.

Look up. It's time based

[Kyri]

I would prefer summoner class then this system to be honest. I see many other old summoners like myself who really feel the game needs this and want it back bad. Even if the three pet classes wern't always optimized or used in parties, those who loved them and played them were deeply devoted to these classes.

[Akujin]

I'm honestly really ok with this idea. It prevents people from creating a monoply over the Primals. Although we dont know a great deal about how the Free Companies themselves are meant to work, there may be a way to sort of exploit that too.

But doing the Primals this way should allow them to keep the summoning and usage to grand, epic scale things. Personally..I want to see a truly massive, castle-esque Alexander that blocks out the sun to obliterate something with divine judgment.

Though I'm curious, is it possible for a Dev to talk to someone and get us a possibly teaser, if not a full, maybe a handful of Primals they intend to release? Just for teaser sakes.

[AreeyaJaidee]

I would prefer summoner class then this system to be honest. I see many other old summoners like myself who really feel the game needs this and want it back bad. Even if the three pet classes wern't always optimized or used in parties, those who loved them and played them were deeply devoted to these classes.

100% Agreed. This primal summoning is stupid as ****! You mean we can only summon Primals when our Free Company leader decides? WTF?!

Screw that. Wtf is a SMN now? Looks like This is forcing SMN to be a gimped healer/buffer again, only this time they dont get the reach around of summoning an awesome Main summon like Ifrit!

This is complete BS. Is this really what you ppl want? FFs didn't restrict summoning this much: why start now?

I understand limitations like MP perpetuations costs or only having one primal out at a time: but you guys really wanna screw SMN like this?

WTF is the point of being a SMN now?

Are all the petjobs getting ****ed like this?!

Is BST going to only Charm one pet once every week via a job ability that has to be unlocked via a FC ldr?!

Is Puppetmaster limited to using its puppet for 12 seconds only after the FC ldr authorizes it to be called out?!

Are you ppl ****ing kidding me?!

This is asanine!

[Molly_Millions]

100% Agreed. This primal summoning is stupid as ****! You mean we can only summon Primals when our Free Company leader decides? WTF?!

Screw that. Wtf is a SMN now? Looks like This is forcing SMN to be a gimped healer/buffer again, only this time they dont get the reach around of summoning an awesome Main summon like Ifrit!

This is complete BS. Is this really what you ppl want? FFs didn't restrict summoning this much: why start now?

I understand limitations like MP perpetuations costs or only having one primal out at a time: but you guys really wanna screw SMN like this?

WTF is the point of being a SMN now?

Are all the petjobs getting ****ed like this?!

Is BST going to only Charm one pet once every week via a job ability that has to be unlocked via a FC ldr?!

Is Puppetmaster limited to using its puppet for 12 seconds only after the FC ldr authorizes it to be called out?!

Are you ppl ****ing kidding me?!

This is asanine!

Primal summons, and the summoner class will not necessarily be related. I don't see a problem with that.

[UmJammerSully]

This is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard for this game. Having primal summoning so restrictive does nothing but extend the e-peens of a very small number of people. :/

I love the idea of having cool, sharable rewards earnt by linkshells/companies, but having all the recognisable summons like Ifrit and Shiva be limited to one company per server is just a really bad idea.

"ok if you want us to summon a primal, pay us 10million gil. We'll tell you when we do it, so be at ifrit's place at such and such time and be ready to fight it."

*shudders*

Fortunatly I think the devs are at least smart enough to make something like that impossible.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Primal summons, and the summoner class will not necessarily be related. I don't see a problem with that.

Of course you don't see a problem with it. Why? Because you don't know HOW or IF they're related.

Ask yourself: What is "Summoner" going to "Summon"?

Lesser spirits?

What's the point?

All this because SE is taking the easy way of avoiding implementation of a proper magic based petjob.

This is what we get when players bitch about "ruined immersion".

You're playing a ****ing videogame! You're a third party "interacting" with a simulated environment and you seriously bitch about SMNs running around with Primal pet miniatures as a "immersion ruining graphic/mechanic"?!

WTF. You know what: I hope that SE makes Ninja have shit accuracy and no dual wield or ranged ammo. No blink tanking and crappy weaponskills that require full TP every use.

Then we will see people feel the type of aggravation that petjob lovers are feeling.

This is stupid. I can't even describe how stupid this is.

Stop being lazy SE. Make proper petjobs.

[Molly_Millions]

Of course you don't see a problem with it. Why? Because you don't know HOW or IF they're related.

Ask yourself: What is "Summoner" going to "Summon"?

Lesser spirits?

from what I understand, yes.

What's the point?

All this because SE is taking the easy way of avoiding implementation of a proper magic based petjob.

to have a magic based pet job. it's a little too early to say the implementation is bad before SE has even started work on the class.

This is what we get when players bitch about "ruined immersion".

You're playing a ****ing videogame! You're a third party "interacting" with a simulated environment and you seriously bitch about SMNs running around with Primal pet miniatures as a "immersion ruining graphic/mechanic"?!

WTF. You know what: I hope that SE makes Ninja have shit accuracy and no dual wield or ranged ammo. No blink tanking and crappy weaponskills that require full TP every use.

Then we will see people feel the type of aggravation that petjob lovers are feeling.

This is stupid. I can't even describe how stupid this is.

Stop being lazy SE. Make proper petjobs.

I'm not even sure what to say about this part. it seems you just want to complain.

[Akujin]

Well, they could in effect allow Summoners to call on a far lesser version of the Primals themselves. Basically the same thing that happened in XI, you didnt actually call the Gods themselves, only their Avatar's, a projection of their true might. Essentially they could do the same thing and allow the FC's to call on the actual Gods themselves (though to be fair to something like that, if the true self was called it should interrupt every lesser summoning completely.)

As Yoshida said, he doesnt want to see 20 mini-ifrits on the screen all moving around, it diminishes the grandeur of what the summons are. To create a truly FF effect for the Eikons, you have to do something BIG to get the full scale.

Otherwise, you're asking them to diminish the Primals into something you can basically carry in your pocket and diminish the scale of its overall potential greatly.

Unless my memory is wrong, XI is the only FF game in the entire series where the Primal/Eidilion/whatever were 'pets', kept on a perptual mp draining leash until they're no longer useful. In every other FF game they're called, they blow shit up, they disappear.

Ok.. what if Summoners do something different, lets say instead of summoning..they channel? Summoners become a medium for the Primals power, their sub classes being thm and cnj, so they can access both sides of the elemental spectrum, with water being their own native spells. With whichever Primal they're 'channeling' they are granted an increase potency to that type of elemental magic. So ie. Ifrit = Fire, Ramuh = Lightning, etc. With the 15min big skill being some sort of 'Mini Hellfire' or 'Mini Tidalwave', etc that's centered from the Summoner themselves, severing their ties to that Primal temporarily.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Sure. I'm labeled a complainer because the mere suggestive cause and effect of this is askew compared to what logically fits the expectations of those who know and love this particular aspect of the FF series.

Well of course I'm complaining. With every right to do so. Since when us there shame in that?

I play petjobs. Many ppl do and are looking forward to ffxiv having legit petjobs.

Just because some ppl are impartial to that, doesnt mean im not going to complain.

Theres truth in what i wrote.

Developers are notorious about ruining petjob mechanics. So if i want to complain about that then i damn well will.

Plenty of ppl getting their damn tanking fun, mage fun, and DD fun and they all complain until its balanced. But i cant complain at SE about not releasing petjob info or potentially ruining an idolized aspect of what many found enjoyable about SMN?

Yet if someone bitches about tanks or mages or dd or Ninja they usually get balance and few of the community bat an eyelash because they agree.

Even if im a minority im going to be a damn loud one until light is shed on this matter.

If you dont like it then blacklist me. I wont lose sleep over it.