ff12= ff14

[Kazrah]

They've never said anywhere that we're going to Dalmasca for ShB.

1) It was said that the hint was in 4.5, and it was noted that Dalmasca was busy getting crushed by Garlemald.
2) Gunbreaker relic armor looks like the same resistance gear from Rabanastre in addition to having what seems to be a REALLY deliberate job name.

And 3)

We're almost certainly not done with Ivalice....

Viera is a confirmed new race and Nu Mou is a confirmed new beast tribe for the expansion. If we're not going to Dalmasca proper in Shadowbringers, then it's going to be brought up A LOT.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

Those and the primals, various weapons and armor, chocobos since two, moogles, Wol and Wods, Elemental crystals that are important to the story somehow. Let's also not forget putting teens or in their early 20s in charge of saving the world and other things like militaries or whole countries.

The primal are all the same until those ff ruins it
Also lol many of them are under 14 so not rlly teen or adults also weapons armor don't rlly count

[Lubu_Mykono]

the game just references some of the older games.
If FF12 is = FF14 because of Dalmasca and ivalice references then its part of FF6 because Doma is from that game.....

[Enla]

the game just references some of the older games.
If FF12 is = FF14 because of Dalmasca and ivalice references then its part of FF6 because Doma is from that game.....

To be fair here, FF12/T is probably the most overt reference. As the story for the 24 man basically hints that the story of FFT came from the play that Jenomis eventually debuted to clear his family name and give the story of Ramza a 'happier' ending than fate and previous propaganda had seen fit.

However even then it follows pretty much every other FF reference in 14. Where they take similar story beats if anything at all, and try to slather a fresh coat of paint onto them to make the concept work within it's new confines. Doma's actually a pretty good example of that. Hien is basically Cyan if you dig into his name origins and even shares the same theme with the iconic character, and given where the current MSQ happens to be headed it's very likely we're going to see a repeat of the 'poison' incident some time in the future. Sans insane laughing clown of course.

[Daralii]

To be fair here, FF12/T is probably the most overt reference. As the story for the 24 man basically hints that the story of FFT came from the play that Jenomis eventually debuted to clear his family name and give the story of Ramza a 'happier' ending than fate and previous propaganda had seen fit.

However even then it follows pretty much every other FF reference in 14. Where they take similar story beats if anything at all, and try to slather a fresh coat of paint onto them to make the concept work within it's new confines. Doma's actually a pretty good example of that. Hien is basically Cyan if you dig into his name origins and even shares the same theme with the iconic character, and given where the current MSQ happens to be headed it's very likely we're going to see a repeat of the 'poison' incident some time in the future. Sans insane laughing clown of course.

Solus is probably hammy enough to be the Kefka analogue. He chews the scenery every time he appears, and it's great.

[Nestama]

FFXIV's Ivalice isn't the same Ivalice as FFT and FFXII. For starters, the world map is completely different. Secondly, the timeline/lore is completely different.

[SannaR]

The primal are all the same until those ff ruins it
Also lol many of them are under 14 so not rlly teen or adults also weapons armor don't rlly count

Um what? Ekio, Vivi, Relm, Porom, Palom and Gau are the only ones under 14 that are humanoid. Rydia starts out young but ages so she doesn't really count as she doesn't stay the same the whole game. We don't know how long of a life span a moogle or a yeti have or I'd count Mog and Umaro.

[Kaedan]

yes i suppose

but i dont like when they do that, cause it gives confusion, and do a melt of several univers which have no real link together, why fran? why not another caracter.

I mean ok in soul calibur 2 heihachi come from a dimensionnal portal, that give some sens even if it is easy way to give.

But taking entirely a character from another game and put it here, with no real reason, and another story, it is just weird. ok vivi is in hilidbrand story but hilidbrand is like a side dream joke

thx for answer

1) Fran was a popular character, thus why Fran.
2) If you're okay with dimensional portals, then you should be fine with this. We've had several mentions of dimensional travel in FF14. The Warriors of Darkness came from another dimension/version of Hydealyn. Omega is from another dimension.

In the FF14 universe, Tactics happened a long time ago and the FF12 Ivalice is a part of Hydealyn. However, just as there are infinite multiverses, so lies the possibility they aren't THE Ivalice from the original games. But since we didn't know anything of "the world beyond" Ivalice in Tactics and FF12, it could go either way. You could think of it as a different multiverse, or that it has always been a part of Hydealyn. That's the nice thing about FF series, is that a lot of it can cross over.

[Daralii]

1) Fran was a popular character, thus why Fran.
2) If you're okay with dimensional portals, then you should be fine with this. We've had several mentions of dimensional travel in FF14. The Warriors of Darkness came from another dimension/version of Hydealyn. Omega is from another dimension.

In the FF14 universe, Tactics happened a long time ago and the FF12 Ivalice is a part of Hydealyn. However, just as there are infinite multiverses, so lies the possibility they aren't THE Ivalice from the original games. But since we didn't know anything of "the world beyond" Ivalice in Tactics and FF12, it could go either way. You could think of it as a different multiverse, or that it has always been a part of Hydealyn. That's the nice thing about FF series, is that a lot of it can cross over.

Omega and dragons are from another planet, technically. The other shards are seemingly part of a multiverse that was created when Zodiark was expunged and reality broke, and other beings like Ultima(and crossover characters, I guess) are from another plane altogether.

[silentwindfr]

we had reference to dalmasca already in ARR, then...