Give the possible Eureka 5.X its own weapon, and separate Relic from it

[Bacent]

Yes, it's another thread made due to not being happy with the '''relic''' from Eureka.

Many players, including myself, are upset about how the relic is an afterthought that feels like it was just an add-on to Eureka. With what I've seen from Pyros the story being akin to 'story story story' followed by 'oh hey I can upgrade thingie'.

2.X's relic was.... ok-ish. Many people didn't like the grind from it. Fair enough. You could still work on it solo. Further made easier in doing so after the expac dropped for 3.X with unsync.

3.X's relic was better, and the story was as well. We got to give our relics their own souls and it was an extension of ourselves that was supposed to grow with it. As well as being able to work on it solo. Further made easier in doing so after the expac dropped for 4.X with unsync.

4.X's relic was just.... bad. They said the relic would take place in a specially designed instance. I thought that the instance would be worked around the relic, as did some others, but it was the other way around. The instance only had the relic as an afterthought, with Eureka having its own storyline. This is a 'special area' with its own leveling system. Something that cannot be unsync'd to work on, and will more than likely forever remain that way due to how the relic is handled.

I know a lot of people enjoy Eureka. Fair enough. I never really enjoyed eureka at all, and I don't know if I'll stick it through to the end wit hall the mixed feedback I'm seeing from Hydatos.

But I do know I really liked working on relics in 2.X and 3.X, where I even worked on multiple of them at once in 3.X. I've always had fun with relics, until they were just an add-on.

So I'm suggesting that Eureka get its own special weapon, for people that want to run it, and give a relic for OUTSIDE of Eureka, for those that don't want this kind of content gated behind something like this.

Then we could have a weapon for the hard core players. A weapon for those who like the Eureka-esque content. And a weapon for those who liked the original Relic content.

Then there'd be a weapon type for almost everyone to be working on to upgrade with.

[Kirsi]

You could just create two pathways towards the same weapon instead of having more weapons. Even though I don't hate Eureka, I do wish that I could do other things WHILE working on relic progress.

[Bacent]

You could just create two pathways towards the same weapon instead of having more weapons. Even though I don't hate Eureka, I do wish that I could do other things WHILE working on relic progress.

Only thing about that is I don't know if they'd be able to give us multiple paths for the same weapon. There'd always be one path that's easier' or 'less time consuming' to do so as well as people complaining about that. Sure there's multiple ways to gear up, but I don't really know about 'multiple ways for the same exact item'. So why not give a unique weapon to each group?

[Kirsi]

I completely agree, but I also think that one of those weapons is going to be more appealing than the other to someone else aesthetically which would probably remove the choice aspect of this idea. For example, I want to do a 3.0 style relic but the relic that looks most appealing is tied to the 4.0 style relic.

[Bacent]

Sadly I don't think they'll be able to change anything about past relics due to it no longer being 'current content'. So the best thing we can do is bring this up now, and possibly change future plans. And at the very least this way everyone can do the content they want to do, for a weapon to upgrade with.

[Kalise]

Multiple paths to the same Relic would be possible.

Part of it has already been done in previous Relics. With stuff like Light farming where you *Could* go farm Tam-Tara solo for light. But you *Could* also go do Alexander or Bahamut raids too.

To say nothing of the fact that much of the Relic quests are gathering specific items. Who's to say you couldn't gather those specific items from multiple sources? Such as getting drops from Raid bosses, grinding Dungeons for Tomestones, farming Eureka for Crystals, crafting them yourself etc.

As for a time difference between the methods... Artificially time gate them. Say, you can only obtain X amount of Y item per week. So, irregardless of method, you will only progress at a specific rate per week.

If this is even a problem. Since, while people might complain about how certain ways are more efficient than others for farming out the relic... The fact remains that they don't need to be the most efficient... Given that the steps only unlock when the patches come in and otherwise it's far quicker to get equal item level stuff from non-Relic grinds to be able to participate in content (Such as just buying one from a Tomestone vendor)

Relics have always been just for glamour given that, while yes, there are times when they're BiS, but for the most part, you only complete the thing at the end of an expansion because that's when the final stage gets added to the game. At which point you've likely done all of the content anyhow and just want to grind out the shiny relic for glamour.

[AppleJinx]

Do away with the rng substats while they are at it. I am cool with either 5 meld slots or we manually assign the substats again like in 3.x. Hell maybe even both idk just please no rng ty.

[Jandor]

You have the raid weapon, the best weapon but hard to get.
You have the primal weapon, 2nd best but significantly quicker to acquire.
You have the relic, sometimes 2nd best, sometimes 3rd, rarely 1st. Depends on patch cycle.

Given FFXIV's rather bland gear, where is the theoretical fourth 'Eureka' weapon going to go?

A different route to the same weapon won't work. 90%+ of the playerbase will just go whichever route they are told is the easiest, it's basically a guarantee that the work the devs do on either the 2.X/3.X style trad grind or 4.X style eureka grind will be wiped out.

[Kalise]

You have the raid weapon, the best weapon but hard to get.
You have the primal weapon, 2nd best but significantly quicker to acquire.
You have the relic, sometimes 2nd best, sometimes 3rd, rarely 1st. Depends on patch cycle.

Given FFXIV's rather bland gear, where is the theoretical fourth 'Eureka' weapon going to go?

It can be the "My preferred content sync's me down to nublet gear anyway so I have literally no reason to care about BiS weapon lists because they all come out as garbage in 'Eureka' anyway" weapon.

Heck, make it BiS for doing BA style content in 'Eureka' if you really want.

[Youkulm]

Yes please give Eureka it's own weapon. I don't hate Eureka but I miss the 2.0/3.0 style weapon. I don't know why we can't have both. If given the choice I would have done a relic outside Eureka.

There is no reason 5.0 Eureka can't have its own weapon & gear similar to PotD, except more upgradeable ( like it is now )!